The Batman (spoilers)

[payn]

Pfeiffer was iconic, but Kravitz is definitely a worthy successor.

Maybe. I felt like the writing betrayed Kravitz a bit. The character just seemed like a plot delivery vehicle and cosplay doll. I would have liked to see more. (Wright's Gordon had many of the same issues, IMO)

 

[Mannahnin]

I can see the concerns, but I thought she came off better and got more to do than Gordon. I agree that Gordon was a bit underwritten and Wright not utilized to his full ability.

 

[Ryujin]

I finally got around to watching this movie. As someone that hasn't really seen many Batman movies (I've only seen the Christopher Nolan trilogy and Batman v Superman), this was probably my second favorite Batman movie. I liked it more than Batman Begins and the Dark Knight Rises, but I still prefer the Dark Knight to this one. And this is easily the best live action translation of Catwoman that I've seen (granted, this isn't saying a lot, but it's still notable). And they did a great job with the Riddler and how he contrasted with Batman.

There were some scenes that I feel went on too long, some story beats that I don't think worked that well, and clichés that I'm really tired of, but otherwise, I think that this is a great movie.

Maybe the best part of the plot was how they played on the similarities of The Riddler and Batman, to the point that Riddler thought that they were working together. Was that an expression of his arguable madness, or was it his honest take on what he saw Batman doing in the city? Seeing Batman come to that realization was well played.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

I can see the concerns, but I thought she came off better and got more to do than Gordon. I agree that Gordon was a bit underwritten and Wright not utilized to his full ability.

If you want to see Wright utilized to his ability, The French Dispatch is streaming on HBO Max.

And it is really, really good.

(If you like Wes Anderson. If you absolutely hate his style, well .... it's Wes Anderson.)

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Maybe the best part of the plot was how they played on the similarities of The Riddler and Batman, to the point that Riddler thought that they were working together. Was that an expression of his arguable madness, or was it his honest take on what he saw Batman doing in the city? Seeing Batman come to that realization was well played.

I mean, you're not wrong, but ....

Isn't that really the heart of all "great" Batman stories?

Why did people like The Dark Knight so much? Well, one reason is that it explored how the Joker wanted to show the Batman that they were so similar. (Really, that's kind of the Joker's raison d'etre in most modern takes ... the dark(er?) mirror to the Batman).

Doesn't it feel like modern depictions of Batman always have him brooding about "the edge," with villains that are all like, "Hey, we are the same ... just go a little farther, buddy!" Not to complain too much- they keep mining the vein because it has resonance, but it does feel very familiar.

 

[Mannahnin]

If you want to see Wright utilized to his ability, The French Dispatch is streaming on HBO Max.

And it is really, really good.

(If you like Wes Anderson. If you absolutely hate his style, well .... it's Wes Anderson.)

Yes, I loved it. And it definitely made good use of Wright's talents.

 

[payn]

I mean, you're not wrong, but ....

Isn't that really the heart of all "great" Batman stories?

Why did people like The Dark Knight so much? Well, one reason is that it explored how the Joker wanted to show the Batman that they were so similar. (Really, that's kind of the Joker's raison d'etre in most modern takes ... the dark(er?) mirror to the Batman).

Doesn't it feel like modern depictions of Batman always have him brooding about "the edge," with villains that are all like, "Hey, we are the same ... just go a little farther, buddy!" Not to complain too much- they keep mining the vein because it has resonance, but it does feel very familiar.

Its one of my favorite supers tropes.
Punisher to Dare Devil: "You're one bad day away from being me..."

 

[Tonguez]

. And this is easily the best live action translation of Catwoman that I've seen

I dunno, she felt more like Huntress than a version of Catwoman

 

[Ryujin]

I mean, you're not wrong, but ....

Isn't that really the heart of all "great" Batman stories?

Why did people like The Dark Knight so much? Well, one reason is that it explored how the Joker wanted to show the Batman that they were so similar. (Really, that's kind of the Joker's raison d'etre in most modern takes ... the dark(er?) mirror to the Batman).

Doesn't it feel like modern depictions of Batman always have him brooding about "the edge," with villains that are all like, "Hey, we are the same ... just go a little farther, buddy!" Not to complain too much- they keep mining the vein because it has resonance, but it does feel very familiar.

Perhaps, but most modern iterations of Batman lean heavily on the violence and not so much on the detective, nor psychological aspects of the character. It's very easy for people to fall into the "might makes right" mindset and ignore the commentary. to me, in fact, it seems that they generally concentrate on how Batman is soooooo different from those he fights and is justified in whatever violence he inflicts. Whatever rights he abridges. As some people have stated, more than once, it's like he's merely a reflection of what the police could actually accomplish, if the gloves were taken off. It's as ironic as police wearing "The Punisher" pins.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

It's as ironic as police wearing "The Punisher" pins.

....not sure ironic is the term I'd use.