The best 6th level spell in the game? (my players stay out!)

[Nareau]

Liveoak: You cast it on a huge oak, and you can get it to animate into a treant. The treant can cast liveoak as well, bringing up another 2 treants. Rinse, repeat.

Am I missing something that prevents you from raising an army of treants as big as the forest you're in? Is the only limit on the number of huge oaks you can find?

But this isn't my real question. My real question is, "What's the CR for a treant?" The MM says it's 8...and that it can Liveoak up a couple of buddies to help it out. So are those two trees it animated another couple of CR 8 creatures in and of themselves? Or are they simply part of the 1st treant's abilities? It seems a little strange either way...treants don't look like CR 8 creatures to me by themselves.

Thanks,
Spider

 

[MerakSpielman]

well, theres a rule that prevents summoned creatures from using their own "summon" ability for 24 hours. This is kinda the same thing, just not quite...

 

[Wippit Guud]

Liveoak:

The liveoak spell triggers the tree into animating as a treant.

The treant description never calls them treants, just animated trees. They 'fight' as a treant in all respects, but they aren't treants (they cease to be animate if the treant dies, only move at 10ft. Also:

Animated trees have the same vulnerability to fire that a treant has.

If they were treants, this wouldn't need to be said.

 

[Wippit Guud]

well, theres a rule that prevents summoned creatures from using their own "summon" ability for 24 hours. This is kinda the same thing, just not quite...

I had thought of that, but there's not rules on transmutation, just summoning.

 

[Nareau]

OK. So these "animated trees" that the treant created just fight like treants. So I'm guessing that means that I shouldn't be giving extra XP for defeating these side-kicks, right?

Spider

 

[totoro]

OK. So these "animated trees" that the treant created just fight like treants. So I'm guessing that means that I shouldn't be giving extra XP for defeating these side-kicks, right?

Spider

Right