The biggest issue with the new Character Builder:

Lo, when, WHEN will we see the day when a similar mod post will be written where "lawyer" is changed to "developer"!!!!

When someone gives development advice that might get someone in trouble ("Format C:? That's perfectly safe! I do it all the time! Go right ahead!") then maybe we'll step in. :p
 

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Umbran, you do realize these are the intawebs, right? Everyone is a lawyer with a medical practice who programs super computers on the side. ;)
 


When someone gives development advice that might get someone in trouble ("Format C:? That's perfectly safe! I do it all the time! Go right ahead!") then maybe we'll step in. :p
So, then, I shouldn't tell anyone how Control-W will allow them to add houseruled feats to the new, online CB? :)

-O
 

I don't know if it has been mentioned before (11 pages are a lot to read), but my absolutely bigges issue with the CB is the flexibility and extensibility of character creation. One part is houserules feats and stuff. The other is that I can't have standard D&D characters with Themes or Wild Talent or Paladins in Dark Sun. That really sucks. After all it's MY campaign as the DM so I'd like to use what ever character creation rules I can find in any D&D setting and not only in those combination like Wizards sells them to use. They're forcing us to use exactly what they sell and that sucks. It ruins the whole app.
 

Not trying to be snarky, bu what part of "No Divine Power Source on Athas" surprises you about not having paladins in Dark Sun at roll-out? Will they add it in? Possibly, but this one doesn't surprise me at all until house rule support is in.

I'm not sure I think they need to support house rules past stat differentials and feat allowances. The tool is probably best served for supporting their stuff and not trying to be able to add much house rule goofiness in. I'd say if you want to allow a paladin in Dark Sun, just make it a PHB one and re-skin it since that's what you'll have to do with a Paladin anyway.
 

Not trying to be snarky, bu what part of "No Divine Power Source on Athas" surprises you about not having paladins in Dark Sun at roll-out? Will they add it in? Possibly, but this one doesn't surprise me at all until house rule support is in.

I'm not sure I think they need to support house rules past stat differentials and feat allowances. The tool is probably best served for supporting their stuff and not trying to be able to add much house rule goofiness in. I'd say if you want to allow a paladin in Dark Sun, just make it a PHB one and re-skin it since that's what you'll have to do with a Paladin anyway.

Because... you can't. Your non-Dark Suns paladin doesn't get access to themes. There is no way to toggle that on for home-campaign characters, and no way to toggle on divine characters for Dark Sun characters.

Now, this isn't a world-breaking flaw. It is the sort of thing I'm relatively confident will be addressed in time. But I think it is another example of the issues with the new CB - it will be a great program six months from now, but is a pretty disappointing program right now, and WotC has handled its release poorly.

For myself, I think Obyrn hit the nail on the head - trying to make characters with it, for me, just feels too much like work. Despite the fact that I like a lot of elements of the new design, new search filters, etc... the delays and sluggishness (especially with basic things like stat buy) does not make for a smooth experience. And that doesn't even count crashes, or elements that simply don't work yet.
 

I bought my DDI subscription for access to the Character Builder and Adventure Tools. The Compendium is a nice little bonus; I don't give a crap about the rest.

The reason I keep paying for that subscription is to keep getting updates to the Character Builder and Adventure Tools. Right now, there are two ways I can look at the situation:
  • I have not gotten updates for a couple months and won't get any for some months to come.
  • The working Character Builder I was using has been replaced with a crappy, broken version.
If we were still getting updates for the old CB, until the new one was up to snuff--or if the new one had been up to snuff out of the box--I'd be happy. As it is, not so much. I'm sure Wizards is within the letter of the law here, but if you have to resort to telling your customers, "Look, legally speaking, you're getting what you paid for," you're not doing a very good job.

(Also, whose bright idea was it to post back to the server for every single tiny change? I mean, seriously, I add 1 to my character's Strength in point buy--we need a postback for that? It's called Javascript, people.)
 
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The legality of the thing is a red herring. A canard. A technicality.

The long and short of it is, if the new CB doesn't provide the value you want, the value you paid for, you should probably ditch your subscription.

The legal and technological fiddly bits don't matter.

If you're not getting your money's worth (which is a subjective, personal call), go spend it on something else.

And don't let anyone tell you that you're wrong to do what you please with your own income, whatever your reasoning.
 

I'm not sure I think they need to support house rules past stat differentials and feat allowances. The tool is probably best served for supporting their stuff and not trying to be able to add much house rule goofiness in.

Are you kidding? That's a total dealbreaker for a lot of their customers. They'd be insane not to try to integrate house rules support, at least on a minimal level.

Even if all "house rules support" means is I can write up my own power cards, add bonus feats and inherent bonuses.
 

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