The Crux of the Matter

[Velmont]

OOC: Ok, so we have only one possible exit and it is block with Sin and too much wraith. We could run and escape and probably have a few death, and if these death are the caster who are suppose to carry everyone, we are all dead.

Knowing the tower cartography, what lies directly under the room? Could the passwall spell could lead us in another room.

Also, from what Rinaldo knows, did he thinks there is a way to use the power of the Crux a way they want or it is a too wild power for the skill of teh people in the room?

EDIT: Is it possible to have Elektra and Rayne remaining spells... it would help to have some creative solutions.

 

[Rystil Arden]

(OOC: Sin's private chambers would be directly below this room, and it's no more than a short step from where all the enemies have already gathered.

It isn't clear that the Crux, in it's current state, can possibly be used or harnessed for anything. Certainly, the current uncontrolled Crux that blew up her mind into fragmented Aspects is not something that Elayna Valsice would have wanted to create. Sin seems to think it would take even her (with her memories of having created it) months just to safely disable it. )

 

[Velmont]

OOC: I don't want to disable it... I didn't forget I have given my word. By I was wondering if we couldn't create some time effect, like time hoping, or simply those time pocket where we got stuck a variable time before being released, so spellcaster could memorize there spells again without giving this same advantage to Sin.

 

[Rystil Arden]

OOC: I don't want to disable it... I didn't forget I have given my word. By I was wondering if we couldn't create some time effect, like time hoping, or simply those time pocket where we got stuck a variable time before being released, so spellcaster could memorize there spells again without giving this same advantage to Sin.

(OOC: You could just send Rayne towards the Crux and into her future and hope she comes back with a full complement of spells. She's the only one missing spells anyway. I believe that is Vanitri's plan.

Also, I know Rinaldo doesn't want to disable it, or else he would destroy this reality by paradox. But disabling it is actually easier to do than controlling it, so imagine how hard controlling it must be )

 

[Velmont]

(OOC: And a 5% chance that she'll fail both saves against Phantasmal Killer is all that you need in order for that to be a possible future )

OOC: If we dare to confront Sin, and knwoing we have les sthen 5% of chance of vanquisihing her (don't forget teh number of person that can counterspell it with a dispel magic over that), we would rather run away then confront Sin (at least in Rinaldo's mind, confronting her now is still too crazy), and thus, teh futur we came from is just impossible. Same thing as:

"Joe died to save a large number of orphaned children whom he was protecting. You might be able to trade for a future where Joe ran away and let the children die, but even though are infinitely many futures, it does not follow that there exists a future for all possibile settings of all variables. For instance, it is quite possible that there exists no such future that is exactly the same as this one except that I dyed my hair blue. Why not? It could be a number of reasons. It might be the fact that I never really considered dying my hair blue, so I would only do it if a huge number of other factors also changed. It might be that my blue hair would cause a student to pay attention in my class more, for whatever reason, and then because he was paying more attention he suddenly realises an important magical breakthrough...

So there must be a startegy that gives us a chance to kill her and that our chance of survival must be high enough...

 

[Rystil Arden]

OOC: If we dare to confront Sin, and knwoing we have les sthen 5% of chance of vanquisihing her (don't forget teh number of person that can counterspell it with a dispel magic over that), we would rather run away then confront Sin (at least in Rinaldo's mind, confronting her now is still too crazy), and thus, teh futur we came from is just impossible. Same thing as:



So there must be a startegy that gives us a chance to kill her and that our chance of survival must be high enough...

(OOC: It's possible you already made choices that eliminated that path--Remember the strategy with sending down Ashna? What if you had instead sent down both Ashna and Rayne? That way, Ashna's wall could be a decoy to waste their dispel attempts (or they might allow the wall because they were afraid it was a decoy), and Rayne could take a save-or-die shot. If it worked, victory! If it failed, retreat! )

 

[Knight Otu]

(She's the only one missing spells anyway.)

(And Hogarth, if you discount the protective spells for our failed ice wall escape.)
"We all returned... eventually." Ashna says with a glance at Guile. "Whether that remains true for others..."

 

[Bront]

(OOC: She asked before if she should destroy the Crux when she rematerialised--shouldn't the people who think that the Crux must not be destroyed be telling her that she definitely should not destroy it?)

OOC: Vanitri only swore he'd not do it himself, and he's not encouraging her to do it either. Also, it would be kind of nice to know what Lex has on store to cast.

 

[Rystil Arden]

(OOC: You guys who use the word 'swore' are making me more than a bit uneasy. I think that you didn't understand what your characters had to do to get back in time. Swearing or not swearing is meaningless, worthless, and doesn't matter--the Crux isn't an intelligent entity that can listen to you swearing. It just knows when there are no futures in which you would destroy it, and it can bring you back then. You had to convince yourself irrevocably that the Crux must never be destroyed by anyone, ever. To the point that no possible future existed where you would even consider destroying the Crux (and thus, if you change your mind, it creates a paradox and destroys this timeline (the way I will play it if that happens is that the rest of Living ENWorld was living an alternate timeline where your character was utterly void and vanished, forever, since it would be cruel to say that the whole world blew up If you think that you just swore not to personally destroy the Crux, you are mistaken.).

 

[Bront]

OOC: Actualy, that's what I did do, and you told me to come back here Vanitri was that no one should use it though, so yeah, seing that now what he's doing is still against that, so I think I need to revise my statements.