The end of all edition wars?

[Gentlegamer]

Cincinnatus, you mean.

George Washington, you mean.

 

[Wisdom Penalty]

Cincinnatus, you mean.

Dammit. Of course you're right. That's going to annoy me all day - I friggin' teach Roman history.

WP

 

[Mark]

Dammit. Of course you're right. That's going to annoy me all day - I friggin' teach Roman history.

WP

Did you get do your postgraduate work at Turtledove University?

 

[Wisdom Penalty]

Did you get do your postgraduate work at Turtledove University?

I know, I know. I feel the cruel daggers of shame much in the way Augustus felt them on the floor of the Senate.

WP

 

[Mark]

I know, I know. I feel the cruel daggers of shame much in the way Augustus felt them on the floor of the Senate.

WP

That's Brutal.

 

[Shazman]

Probably because when 3e was coming down the pipe, there were quite a lot less of us online talking about the game, there was no central web site for talking about D&D like En World or the WOTC boards to hold on to either. When you've already got a D&D site of tens of thousands of gamers, it's pretty hard to start up a completely new site and try to draw the userbase away.

In other words, the landscape of D&D fansites is pretty much entirely different now than it was ten years ago when 3e started coming into the picture.

Yeah, at the time many people wanted a 3rd edition, and were pretty excited about what they got. This time around, many didn't see the need for 4th edition. Some did want a 4th edition, but didn't like the 4th edition WotC put out, and some did want a 4th edition and can stomach what they got enough to switch from 3.5.

 

[El Mahdi]

Also already addressed in Post #58.



Well, I never said that not having a place to discuss D&D equates to not playing D&D. I stated that I chose to quit playing D&D because I had no communities in which to discuss it civily. These are also two different things I'm describing a cause and effect situation (and, I think, a fairly logical one at that).

For me — and for a lot of other hobbyists, from fishermen to skydivers — a huge part of being a hobbyist is discussing your hobby and associating with fellow hobbyists. I've come to realize that many of my fellow hobbyists (mostly online, mind you) turn into complete jerks when D&D becomes the topic of discussion but are otherwise decent folks. This being the case, I avoided discussing D&D with them and, as if by magic, they all (well, most of them) became civil gentlemen and ladies!

[Note: And, no, Jaimie — I am not including the Tuesday night group in this lot. You're rarely gentlemen, but you guys always make gaming fun ]

Now, that said, I have never not bounced ideas for any RPG that I play off of other gamers. Playing a game without doing so is a completely foreign concept to me. I would be totally lost trying to run any game without having a diverse community of other hobbyists to bounce ideas off of. I suppose that I could try playing D&D without talking about it, but that seems like much more work than enjoying other games where this isn't an issue at all.

Frankly, D&D isn't worth it. No hobby is. IMHO, if you have to actively try to enjoy a hobby, it's time to hang it up. I mean, a hobby is something you enjoy, right? It's not something that you must force yourself to enjoy. Am I right?

Fair enough, and I'm truly saddened that the edition wars have claimed a casualty in this manner. I do hope you can carry on playing, whatever the system or edition, and enjoy it with your group. I think it would be tragic for you to lose your love of RPG's entirely. I truly hope that doesn't happen.

I'm not saying I understand completely, but that's through no fault of yours. Talking on the internet like this, with other gamers, is actually a rather new thing for me. Until the last year or so, the only people I'd "talk" to about RPG's are the people I game with. Forums are just RPG dessert for me. But, as with anything, mileage and preferences vary.

I hope you don't stop coming around here entirely. I like reading your posts. Keep gaming, and I'll hope to see you around here (or over at CM).


Peace.

 

[jbear]

I appreciate the sentiment behind th OP's intent to call a truce.

I'm fairly new to the boards and have felt my own personal enjoyment of learning 4e dnd attacked and underminded even without actively participating in a discussion-turned-open-war. It was enough just to read them. This is particularly true in the General RPG discussion area.

4e, whatever it's merits and shortcomings, brought me to Enworld and with it I have brought 8 new players into the game.

I think the creation of a 4e discussion area, different from the rules discussion and the House Rules, would be a very sensible step to ending the edition wars. I don't know the technical difficulty this entails so I don't know if this is easily done or not.
Certainly, when things get over heated in a real life argument, there's nothing like having a bit of personal space to calm down and put things in perspective.

This said, I have noticed it is often a select handful of posters that are always in the thick of things, and even when they are not, I find their posts grating at best. How do I Ignore someone? This option would greatly improve my time reading on the Enworld posts (which in general I really enjoy).

@the poster who has sold all his dnd books

I perhaps don't share you're sentiments so intensely, as no anonymous person's opinions half a world away could ever damage/change/effect my own personal opinions about anyone or anything. However if that is a factor in the death of your enjoyment of a game, then all power to you to take the necessary steps to enjoy RPG again.

I mean damn, a guy explains that the sniping effects him to such a degree (probably felt within his own play groups as editions have changed) and people have the cheek to have him on about it!

Face it. This sniping really can effect people, and not for anything good. People should think a bit more before they write, just as people should do before they speak.

Anyway, that's enough from me. I'll go before I get on my high horse. Would appreciate a quick tip on where to find my 'add to ignore' list.

cheers

 

[Plane Sailing]

I think the creation of a 4e discussion area, different from the rules discussion and the House Rules, would be a very sensible step to ending the edition wars. I don't know the technical difficulty this entails so I don't know if this is easily done or not.

There just doesn't seem any point in doing that though - because any discussion about '4e' which isn't about the rules is general enough that it can be useful and interesting to anyone!

e.g. "I'm planning my adventure with the evil duke sisters twin brother having eloped with a succubus but I'm not sure whether I want the baron to know or to be ignorant - and whether the PCs should be hirelings or not. What do you think?"

or

"You won't believe what happened in the adventure last night... < describes it >"

Cheers

 

[rounser]

There just doesn't seem any point in doing that though - because any discussion about '4e' which isn't about the rules is general enough that it can be useful and interesting to anyone!

I disagree. IMO the implied setting has changed so much, and the scope of magic has become so claustrophobic that 4E has as much in common thematically with earlier edition D&D as Ars Magica or WHFRP does. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean that many perceive it that way.

You could say the same thing of any old RPG as what you've said there. IMO the best way is the Dragonsfoot way - keep em seperated until the heat dies down, and that could take till 5E or longer.