The Essential Knight

[UngeheuerLich]

It still has the same requirements though. And your character is totally valid. You just have to update the power card which just takes a few minutes max.

Not more effort than updating the 3.x Wizard who has access to polymorph once a week?

When we switched to 3.5 from 3.0 i had to significantly update my characters because of number of skills changed, prestige classes had requirements which no longer existed, and class features were relocated. So the tiefling fighter using updated stealth rules (which were updated nearly 3 years ago) is no great deal...
and because of the racial feature change, it is the greatest possible change (maybe make him multiclass into wizard taking MM as encounter power), so it doesn´t sound dramatic to me.

 

[Aegeri]

It's not my charater and the original post is from someone else. He's not making a point about something being effective at all, what he's trying to do is throw a whole bunch of elements that have been errata'ed to be entirely different together.

How easy/hard it is to adjust isn't the point being made. It would take me less than a few minutes to alter all over that to the new rules and get how it works now. Then again I've been playing the game for 2 years so I would expect that. Someone new on the other hand would get quite a shock when they discover a good chunk of rules in their character - albeit very deliberately thrown together for arguments sake - isn't actually the same anymore.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

And still it is no more effort than updating a polymorphing wizard within 3.5 when updating a rogue/bard/artificer from 3.0 to 3.5 needs a lot of time, a rebuild of levels and quite a bit of handwaving because requirement skills don´t exist anymore...

His intentions was probably a hidden "essentials is 4.5" whine, as 3/4 of the updates have been there for 2 years or something...

So we just decided to ignore his intentions and just answered a more serious question: is a tiefling fighter effective, or would it help, if tiefling was +2 Int, +2 Cha or Con, or maybe +2 Cha / +2 Int or Dex to make a tiefling fighter more viable...

 

[Jack99]

When we switched to 3.5 from 3.0 i had to significantly update my characters because of number of skills changed, prestige classes had requirements which no longer existed, and class features were relocated. So the tiefling fighter using updated stealth rules (which were updated nearly 3 years ago) is no great deal...

2 years to be fair.

 

[Aegeri]

Stealth was one of the first things they changed.

I remember the arguments I had with players about using other PCs as cover. So I made an encounter with rot beetle swarms and a dragon, who promptly "hid" behind the swarms of beetles for cover to make a stealth check. I don't think there was any particular disagreement that one should not be able to use allies as cover for a stealth check after that. Not that it mattered, because Wizards errata'ed stealth and completely killed that.

Good times though. Especially when I put that scenario to CS. The answer still gives me a chucke - that yes a dragon could use beetle swarms as cover for a stealth check. Gets me every time.

 

[mkill]

Weird though. If he tried to make a point about errata I honestly didn't get it. I'm aware that the stuff was errata'd but I never thought it's a big deal. I mostly use DDI anyway, so I hardly even notice errata.

 

[Aegeri]

Weird though. If he tried to make a point about errata I honestly didn't get it. I'm aware that the stuff was errata'd but I never thought it's a big deal. I mostly use DDI anyway, so I hardly even notice errata.

Errata has ruined everything and it came to my house and kicked my dog.

True story.

Spoiler

Not really

 

[DracoSuave]

Errata has ruined everything and it came to my house and kicked my dog.

True story.

Spoiler

Not really

Why you do this, why you kick my dog, errata?

 

[CovertOps]

Errata has ruined everything and it came to my house and kicked my dog.

True story.

If it will make you (or your dog) feel better I'll come to your house and kick your dog again (while it's prone).

 

[Old Gumphrey]

Actually you've both missed his point entirely.

Hey thanks.

Weird though. If he tried to make a point about errata I honestly didn't get it. I'm aware that the stuff was errata'd but I never thought it's a big deal. I mostly use DDI anyway, so I hardly even notice errata.

Uhm. "Duh", as the kids say. It's not a big deal if everything is automatically fixed for you and you don't even use your printed copy. If you don't use DDI, you're still making the old stuff (or you're working off a printed piece of errata). And if you show up with old stuff at a new stuff game, a) you look silly, and b) it's no longer viable.