The Evolution of the Fighter

[Wolfwood2]

The fighter from D&D 4-


Notes: This Fighter has these Powers: Reaping Strike, Passing Attack, Brute Strike. He is assumed to use all of these in these fight along with an Action Point which gave him another attack.

Thanks to Andur and Mengu for help with the 4e stats! I just changed the Powers to make more sense for this exercise.

Did the fighter use his Second Wind at any point during the fight?

 

[mhensley]

+1 to hit, +2 damage, 1 and 1/2 attacks per round, wasn't it?

BTW, how are you doing the math on this? Since any of these fighters drop a goblin with one average hit, it seems like the extra damage of a specialized 2E fighter or a 3E fighter could get "wasted".

Yeah, extra damage gets wasted.

 

[mhensley]

Did the fighter use his Second Wind at any point during the fight?

No, as it would take a standard action. Let me see if it makes much of a difference to do that instead of attacking again.

 

[mhensley]

always nice to see the numbers but OD&D->Moldvay Basic -> AD&D isn't evolutionary.


OD&D-> OD&D w/supps ->AD&D -> AD&D w/UA -> 2nd ed -> 2ndw/PO -> 3E -> 4

OD&D-> OD&D w/supps ->Holmes Basic -> Moldvay basic -> Mentzer Basic

(yeah holmes basic was basic to AD&D but not really it got developed into the next basic)

Yeah, I know. It's only for comparison.

 

[mhensley]

Did the fighter use his Second Wind at any point during the fight?

Ok, that does make a difference. It gives him enough time for an additional kill. Thanks.

 

[Scribble]

Ok, that does make a difference. It gives him enough time for an additional kill. Thanks.

Were crits taken into account? I'm not a math expert so I don't know if that's something you want interjected into something like this, but since they are written officially into the rules in 3 and 4, it seems like they should be important?

 

[mhensley]

Were crits taken into account? I'm not a math expert so I don't know if that's something you want interjected into something like this, but since they are written officially into the rules in 3 and 4, it seems like they should be important?

No, crits were not taken into account. I'm no math expert either so consider this an approximation. In any edition, they would work against the Fighter giving him less time to stay alive. So it looks like in both 3e and 4e, this equates to them having 1 less round to live. I'll make that change.

 

[Scribble]

No, crits were not taken into account. I'm no math expert either so consider this an approximation. In any edition, they would work against the Fighter giving him less time to stay alive. So it looks like in both 3e and 4e, this equates to them having 1 less round to live. I'll make that change.

Hey man... my hat is off to your math-fu... generally when I try things like this it ends up going like this:

Ok so fighter has ac 17, and the goblin can hit this on a 16 or higher so ... ummm errr uhh... wait...

blink blink...

SCRIBBLE SMASH STUPID MATH PROBLEM!!!!

 

[mhensley]

SCRIBBLE SMASH STUPID MATH PROBLEM!!!!

lol

 

[mhensley]

Final Results-

Here are the Fighters ranked by their BadAssery Score (1.0 = Chuck Norris; 0 = Ghandi)-

AD&D Fighter - 8 kills/11 rounds = .72
3e Fighter- 9.5 kills/19 rounds = .50
BD&D Fighter- 3.2 kills/7 rounds = .46
OD&D Fighter- 2.8 kills/7 rounds = .40
4e Fighter- 5 kills/18 rounds = .28