The Forge of War

[SecondTime]

I really would prefer to not go over points that I feel he has made quite clearly over there, but my understanding is that the widespread nature of this is inconsistent with how Thrane and the Flame in general has been portrayed (though Thaliost in Five Nations is also discussed in this light), and that is something I would certainly agree with.

If you enjoy how widespread the Convulsions of the Flame are portrayed, by all means, don't let anyone interfere with that.

Which, again, is a silly stance to take in the context of both a war and regime change. The entire society was being wrecked.

 

[Byrons_Ghost]

Slightly OT, but does this book have any info on pre-Mournland Cyre? The info in Five Nations and ECS are both kind of sparse, and I was hoping for some more in depth info...

 

[Destil]

These fundemental swings happen all the time. If Keith intended that Thrane was a peaceful, good natured paradise before the war, and that individual communities or individuals did not often go too far when undergoing localized stress, than quite frankly I find that creativley wanting. If this is a change from his intention, than it is one for the better.

And root causes do not need to be exhausitivly detailed simply for some simple minded readers not to assume that individuals that commit evil acts are not evil, or to fill in the blanks of history that anyone who knows anything about actual human history should be able to surmise themselves.

Keith actually has a very good explanation of why this sort of things could happen. Followers of the flame outside Thrane tend to have looser basis of their priorities and ideals. Within Aundir, for instance, because many converted during or shortly after the purge and had lost loved ones to the lychens, the flame followers there tend to be much more of a "Strike first, ask questions later" sorts, more concerned with revenge and making an example of evil as a way to encourage good.

The suggestion is that when Thrane announced their abandonment of the crown large numbers of faithful flocked to the country, bringing with them both less refined ideals and dogma and causing a lot of tension locally from cultural clashes. The violent events are a result more of these immigrants, until the next speaker was able to regain control.

 

[SecondTime]

Keith actually has a very good explanation of why this sort of things could happen. Followers of the flame outside Thrane tend to have looser basis of their priorities and ideals. Within Aundir, for instance, because many converted during or shortly after the purge and had lost loved ones to the lychens, the flame followers there tend to be much more of a "Strike first, ask questions later" sorts, more concerned with revenge and making an example of evil as a way to encourage good.

The suggestion is that when Thrane announced their abandonment of the crown large numbers of faithful flocked to the country, bringing with them both less refined ideals and dogma and causing a lot of tension locally from cultural clashes. The violent events are a result more of these immigrants, until the next speaker was able to regain control.

That could be one factor, but to suggest that native Thranes couldn't also commite religiously tinged violence is silly. Especially when its likely to mingle with nationalist sentiment. To suggest otherwise is to turn them into something not resembling real people and closer to cartoons.

 

[Crothian]

Slightly OT, but does this book have any info on pre-Mournland Cyre? The info in Five Nations and ECS are both kind of sparse, and I was hoping for some more in depth info...

It talks about the nations during the war but I haven't read it to know what info on Cyre it gives.

 

[Michael Dean]

I admit it's inflamed because Wolfgang (one of the authors) has a bad reputation on those boards because of the Clockwork creations series that they tied to Eberron.

You've piqued my interest: what was the Clockwork creations series and why do they have a bad reputation?

 

[Tzarevitch]

Slightly OT, but does this book have any info on pre-Mournland Cyre? The info in Five Nations and ECS are both kind of sparse, and I was hoping for some more in depth info...

Not all that much there and you have to find it in the historical passages though. There isn't a dedicated section on old Cyre but you can find a decent bit about old Cyre from carefully reading through the book.

Tzarevitch

 

[Tzarevitch]

I took a quick look through it at the store so there are no feats and no prestige classes? If so I'm thrilled!!!

Nary a prestige class nor a feat as far as I have seen.

Tzarevitch

 

[blargney the second]

No feats at all? Bummer.

 

[Tzarevitch]

The latter. There may be a few new theories put forth (I don't recall for certain), but if so, they're expressly just that: theories. No concrete answers on that, no "This is how it happened," not even any "This is officially how it probably happened."

I didn't see anything mentioned on how it happened, only that it was seen from very far away when it happened.

Tzarevitch