log in or register to remove this ad

 

5.5E "The Future of D&D" (New Core Books in 2024!)

The online D&D Celebration event, which has been running all weekend, comes to a close with The Future of D&D, a panel featuring WotC's Ray Winninger, Liz Schuh, Chris Perkins, and Jeremy Crawford, hosted by Elle Osili-Wood.

banner.png

Screen Shot 2021-09-27 at 12.08.42 AM.png


D&D is exploring the multiverse
Revisiting classic settings. 1st of 3 settings (Ravenloft) released this year. Next year, the other two major classic D&D settings come out. Both in formats they've never published products before.

Plus a "little peek" at a third classic D&D setting - a cameo.

In 2023, yet another classic setting is coming out.

Evolving D&D
Because of new players, they're always listening. Exploring new styles of play (like no combat needed in Wild Beyond the Witchlight). Also presentation of monsters and spells. New product formats. More adventure anthologies.

Making products easier to use. Ways to create the best experience. Experimenting and looking into technology.

Approaches to Design
Wild Beyond the Witchlight has interior design and tools to make running the adventure easier. Story tracker, guidance.

Beyond the books, they want to make different and varied products - packaging and form factor. Things different to hardcovers and boxed sets.

A blog post is coming soon detailing some of the changes, with more to come in future posts.

50th Anniversary in 2024
They've begun work on new versions of the core rulebooks. Recent surveys tie into that. They're still making plans, but expect more surveys. More will be said next year.

They will be completely compatible!

New experiences in the digital arena.

January Gift Set
Rules Expansion Gift Set -- Xanathar, Tasha, and a new book: Mordenkainen Presents Monsters of the Multiverse. All in a slipcase. Was intended for the Holidays, but global production issues mean January instead. There's also an alternate cover version.

Screen Shot 2021-09-26 at 11.44.04 PM.png
Screen Shot 2021-09-26 at 11.44.34 PM.png


Screen Shot 2021-09-26 at 11.45.36 PM.png



Mordenkainen Presents Monsters of the Multiverse
A treasure trove of creature related material from previous products compiled into one book and updated.

Opportunity to update material with a feel for how the 50th Anniversary books will be.

Improvements based on feedback, rebalancing, new and old art.

Over 250 monsters, and 30 playable races. All of the setting agnostic races that have been published outside the Player's Handbook.

Some content from Witchlight, Fizban's, and Strixhaven was influenced by Mordenkainen's.

Available first in the gift set, but separately later in the year.

Monsters alphabetized throughout rather than using subsections.

Screen Shot 2021-09-26 at 11.52.03 PM.png

Screen Shot 2021-09-26 at 11.53.44 PM.png

Screen Shot 2021-09-26 at 11.55.32 PM.png



Stat block changes --

Spellcasting trait is gone. Spellcasting action, slimmed down. Spellcasting monsters need less prep.

Spell slots are gone for NPCs. Regular actions that would have once been spells.

It was too easy for a DM to use spells which result in the monster having a too low effective CR.

Monsters can be friends or foes, and some magic will help rather than hinder PCs.

Where are we going?
More adventure anthologies. Another classic setting fairly soon.

Two all-new settings. Completely new. In development stage, an 'exploration' phase, testing the viability of them. They might not see the light of day.

Retooling nostalgia and blending it with new concepts. A blend of things that you know, and things that they have never done before.

In the short term -- more news next month about a new product for 2022 which goes into a new scary place we've never been before.

Boo the miniature giant space hamster
Below is an sketch from Hydro74's alt cover, which features Boo the miniature giant space hamster.

Screen Shot 2021-09-27 at 12.06.19 AM.png
 
Last edited:

log in or register to remove this ad

Russ Morrissey

Russ Morrissey


log in or register to remove this ad


overgeeked

B/X Known World
Why, WHY do threads always get to this point?

I should make a mathematical equation to calculate how quickly a thread gets to this same thing...
Because in any sufficiently large group there will inevitably be “that guy”. It’s also a favorite trick of some groups to pretend to be fans of geek things and insert themselves into geek communities in an attempt to split and politicize. A nerd corollary to Godwin’s Law.
 




ad_hoc

(he/they)
Because in any sufficiently large group there will inevitably be “that guy”. It’s also a favorite trick of some groups to pretend to be fans of geek things and insert themselves into geek communities in an attempt to split and politicize. A nerd corollary to Godwin’s Law.

That may be true, but these people have been around for a long time in D&D.

All the more reason that it is so important for the game to be actively inclusive and anti-bigotry. And I think it's working. A big part of 5e's appeal is literally that it is welcoming to people.

(And thankfully it isn't nearly as bad as something other geek subcultures like video games.)
 






Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
If I invest my hard earned cash in a company I expect them to make a profit with it, not give it away.

I get sick and tiered of this unthoughtout illogical unsupported anti-capitalist nonsense.
Mod Note:

This position, while valid, could have been expressed in a less inflammatory way, Incendiary rhetoric can be as much of an issue for the moderation staff as incendiary positions.

Please, think before posting.
 



Jaeger

That someone better.
The rest of us are tired of having to pay for the basic necessities of life in a world that’s dying because of capitalism.

The many sins laid at the feet of "capitalism" are universal human failings, that are just as present, and in some cases even more so, in every other alternative economic system.

Corporations are not moral as they are financial creatures created by government legislation allowing them to exist as legal entities, separate and distinct from their owners. Shielding the owners from many consequences of 'corporate actions'. Thus repeatedly enabling behavior that would otherwise be checked by normal legal, and market forces.


What this all has to do with "The Future of D&D" (New Core Books in 2024!)

I have no idea... But I will say that The 50AE version of 5e D&D will be a full on 5.5+ edition.

Balancing out the all the small changes they want to incorporate back into the core books will result in an inevitable cascade effect forcing them to follow through on a full revision.

It will visually look like the same game, but the devil will be in many details...

They will totally get away with this because unlike 3.0's 3 year run, 5e will have been the longest running WotC edition when 2024 rolls around.

They will absolutely refuse to call it a new edition, revision, or 5.x anything. Ever.

They 50th celebration of D&D will give them a lot of cover in the form of general good will, and positive press for the D&D brand.

The special 50AE D&D not-edition could not have the ground better laid with sugary sweetness to help the people pretend that it isn't totally a 5.5 revised edition with a smile.

Of course it doesn't exactly hurt the cause that after ten years many of the revisions they will make is stuff that a lot of people incorporate or house rule in their home games anyway; even if they say that they see no need for a "new edition of D&D".

But that's just, like, my opinion man.
 
Last edited:

FitzTheRuke

Legend
Of course it doesn't exactly hurt the cause that after ten years many of the revisions they will make is stuff that a lot of people incorporate or house rule in their home games anyway; even if they say that they see no need for a "new edition of D&D".

You are right. It's what every edition (or half-edition) has been: Incorporating how "everyone" (which is, of course, never everyone) is already doing it, or at least, would like to do it. (That and a few untested ideas that look great on paper but will inevitably lead to the next next edition when they don't pan out as planned. Oh! And not quite going far enough with the good ideas. That'll happen too.)
 

ad_hoc

(he/they)
The many sins laid at the feet of "capitalism" are universal human failings, that are just as present, and in some cases even more so, in every other alternative economic system.

Corporations are not moral as they are financial creatures created by government legislation allowing them to exist as legal entities, separate and distinct from their owners. Shielding the owners from many consequences of 'corporate actions'. Thus repeatedly enabling behavior that would otherwise be checked by normal legal, and market forces.


What this all has to do with "The Future of D&D" (New Core Books in 2024!)

I have no idea... But I will say that The 50AE version of 5e D&D will be a full on 5.5+ edition.

Balancing out the all the small changes they want to incorporate back into the core books will result in an inevitable cascade effect forcing them to follow through on a full revision.

It will visually look like the same game, but the devil will be in many details...

They will totally get away with this because unlike 3.0's 3 year run, 5e will have been the longest running WotC edition when 2024 rolls around.

They will absolutely refuse to call it a new edition, revision, or 5.x anything. Ever.

They 50th celebration of D&D will give them a lot of cover in the form of general good will, and positive press for the D&D brand.

The special 50AE D&D not-edition could not have the ground better laid with sugary sweetness to help the people pretend that it isn't totally a 5.5 revised edition with a smile.

Of course it doesn't exactly hurt the cause that after ten years many of the revisions they will make is stuff that a lot of people incorporate or house rule in their home games anyway; even if they say that they see no need for a "new edition of D&D".

But that's just, like, my opinion man.

I don't think it is going to happen like that.

They are reprinting xanathars and Tasha's which means 5.5 needs to be compatible with those.
 

TheSword

Legend
The many sins laid at the feet of "capitalism" are universal human failings, that are just as present, and in some cases even more so, in every other alternative economic system.

Corporations are not moral as they are financial creatures created by government legislation allowing them to exist as legal entities, separate and distinct from their owners. Shielding the owners from many consequences of 'corporate actions'. Thus repeatedly enabling behavior that would otherwise be checked by normal legal, and market forces.


What this all has to do with "The Future of D&D" (New Core Books in 2024!)

I have no idea... But I will say that The 50AE version of 5e D&D will be a full on 5.5+ edition.

Balancing out the all the small changes they want to incorporate back into the core books will result in an inevitable cascade effect forcing them to follow through on a full revision.

It will visually look like the same game, but the devil will be in many details...

They will totally get away with this because unlike 3.0's 3 year run, 5e will have been the longest running WotC edition when 2024 rolls around.

They will absolutely refuse to call it a new edition, revision, or 5.x anything. Ever.

They 50th celebration of D&D will give them a lot of cover in the form of general good will, and positive press for the D&D brand.

The special 50AE D&D not-edition could not have the ground better laid with sugary sweetness to help the people pretend that it isn't totally a 5.5 revised edition with a smile.

Of course it doesn't exactly hurt the cause that after ten years many of the revisions they will make is stuff that a lot of people incorporate or house rule in their home games anyway; even if they say that they see no need for a "new edition of D&D".

But that's just, like, my opinion man.
When you say ‘full revision’ it makes it sound like 3.5 was a major overhaul when it was dozens of very small changes. It was a tinkering with the 3e rules. Changes to a few spells, a few class abilities, damage reduction, and a new stat block for monsters. You could run the two versions side by side and almost not notice.

In essence a lot like the minor changes put forth in Tasha’sCoE.

Im pretty sure ‘Totally Revised 5.5 Edition’ is an oxymoron. If it was totally revised it would be a 6th edition.
 

Jaeger

That someone better.
I don't think it is going to happen like that.

They are reprinting xanathars and Tasha's which means 5.5 needs to be compatible with those.

A gift set with 2024 still two years out.

The many changes they are integrating will mandate a certain level of revision that they will have to follow through on irregardless of initial intentions.

I have no doubt that it will be called "Compatible" as WotC will define it in 2024...


When you say ‘full revision’ it makes it sound like 3.5 was a major overhaul when it was dozens of very small changes.

By "full revision" we need to change our mindset as to what that means for D&D going forward. We will not see the paradigm jumps we saw with 2e to 3e, or 3e to 4e. From 5e onwards we will see a series of revisions in the scope of 3.0 to 3.5, and AD&D to AD&D2e.

"dozens of very small changes." had a cascade effect even with 3.5. Which is why 3.0 was left in the dust after a few years by the majority of the player base. Yet WotC considered 3.5 to be "Fully Compatible" with 3.0 upon 3.5's release.

IMHO WotC D&D will progress from one "not-edition" to another going forward using the same underlying 5e mechanics.

Much like how Chaosium has done Seven "editions" of CoC.
 

Visit Our Sponsor

Latest threads

Level Up!

An Advertisement

Advertisement4

Top