The Immortals Handbook

[Roman]

Hiya Roman mate!

I trust you have been keeping well?

Indeed I am - I hope the same goes for you.

No surrender.

Glad to hear that!

The easiest way of explaining the difference is that the Supreme Being is the Will and the Akashic Records are the Way.

Yeah, this question is now a bit redundant since Fieari answered it already.

Yes indeed I could, but I'm not going to, thats what the Immortals Handbook is for.

Well, I was only looking for general descriptions something like:

High Ones - highest embodiments of their given concepts
... etc.

Well the respective power for the Immortal Ranks is similar (though not identical) to how such ranks are portrayed within Deities & Demigods.

Fair enough

The initial equation CR x2 = EL +4 was derived from the relationship between Level and Experience Points. I was doing some heavy brainstorming (I have about 10,000 pages of notes, scribbles and doodles for the IH) and wanted to work a method for determining the Experience Points Totals for any level. Something just clicked while I was looking at the numbers and I wondered if the true CR/EL relationship paralleled EXP/Level, and te more I researched the matter, the more it looked like it did.



Well, as Sherlock Holmes would say, once you have eliminated all other options, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the answer.

What was initially needed were the building blocks of HD/Levels themselves. I chose feats as my guideline, since they showed which bonuses were more potent.

I started with the theory that five feats were equal to one level and therefore one feat was equal to 1/5 (0.2) level*.

*Later proved wrong by the silver rule which showed each feat was worth 0.17 level.

After I had broken all monster HD and core class levels down into feats, I worked out the statistical average bonuses that would be given by magic items at 20th level, and simply converted that into feats.

Interesting - I will have to reread this in the morning for it to really stick. 5:30 am just does not cut it.

One more question, though: Do you use other sources of power apart from worshippers? For example, it seems a bit dubious to say the least for Time Lords to derive their power from worshippers - most people have never heard of Time Lords! Even at 'lower levels' of divine might - there are simply some cosmic beings (for example the elemental princes, etc.) that represent their concepts and are not worshipped.

 

[Zoatebix]

Yes, I was very smited by the fever. No fun.

Anyways - I understood you. It was definately clear that the space/reach thing was horrendously broken with 75-mile creatures - I was just trying to figure out how much of a Colossal creature's "space" the creature actually took up with it's body's footprint.

I think I was trying to gauge how broken space/reach is for the size categories presented in the core rules. I knew that, at some point before 75 miles tall, a creature doesn't fit in it's "space" any more, if you just extrapolate the core rules. Maybe I was trying to figure out where that was?

Since I had no facts or figures to work with, the little "game mechanical space vs physical space" thought-experiment I attempted in my feverish state utterly failed. I'm more lucid now - using your 75-mile to 12-mile ruler, a medium creature takes up less than a 10th of it's space and a colossal creature takes up less than a 5th...

I have no idea where I was going with that the other day.

Okay, maybe I'll play advocate for the core rules for a second. I guess you could interpret that the core rules mean that after special cases for small, medium, large, and (smaller) huge-sized creatures for playability, a creature's reach is an "arm's length" - 1/2 height for tall creatures, and 1/3 length for long creatures. This "fits" the core rules and solves the 1.5 mile problem.

On second thought, no, it doesn't fit the core better. It breaks down again at shorter gargantuan creatures. It's really only good for colossal and above.

Well, I thought I was on to something that'd make both you and CRGreathouse happy. <sigh>

Do you mind sharing your thoughts on base speed as determined by creature size?

 

[Zoatebix]

Okay - I've got it!

Reach for tall creatures is equal to half the median height of the size category, rounded up to the nearest 5 feet unless the result is under 1 foot!

so Tiny is 9 inches or 0 feet
small is 1.5 feet or 5 feet
medium is 3 feet or 5 feet
large is 6 feet or 10
huge is 12, round up to 15
gargantual is 24 which makes 25 feet... not quite core...
colossal is 48, for a reach of 50 feet. That's 20 feet more than core...

maybe for colossal and up we can make it just 1/2 height?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi UK!

Hiya mate!

Glad to hear, that you are feeling better!

Not 100% yet - but getting there.

My short interruption - you seem to have forgotten to write everything in this quote:

It was nothing of note - I was simply going to say that I don't plan to repeat their mistakes in the IH.

Also, if a creatures don't fit into their own space, how has the system to be fixed?

By increasing their Space to the proper size.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Roman mate!

Indeed I am - I hope the same goes for you.

Bit of a flu at the moment. Worst is behind me I hope.

Glad to hear that!

Well, I was only looking for general descriptions something like:

High Ones - highest embodiments of their given concepts
... etc.

Better leaving some surprises for the book.

Interesting - I will have to reread this in the morning for it to really stick. 5:30 am just does not cut it.

He he!

One more question, though: Do you use other sources of power apart from worshippers?

Yes, there is the power (quintessence) and the glory (worship), although it all boils down to the same thing.

For example, it seems a bit dubious to say the least for Time Lords to derive their power from worshippers - most people have never heard of Time Lords! Even at 'lower levels' of divine might - there are simply some cosmic beings (for example the elemental princes, etc.) that represent their concepts and are not worshipped.

Indeed.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

Yes, I was very smited by the fever. No fun.

Anyways - I understood you. It was definately clear that the space/reach thing was horrendously broken with 75-mile creatures - I was just trying to figure out how much of a Colossal creature's "space" the creature actually took up with it's body's footprint.

I think I was trying to gauge how broken space/reach is for the size categories presented in the core rules. I knew that, at some point before 75 miles tall, a creature doesn't fit in it's "space" any more, if you just extrapolate the core rules. Maybe I was trying to figure out where that was?

Since I had no facts or figures to work with, the little "game mechanical space vs physical space" thought-experiment I attempted in my feverish state utterly failed. I'm more lucid now - using your 75-mile to 12-mile ruler, a medium creature takes up less than a 10th of it's space and a colossal creature takes up less than a 5th...

Either reach doubles with every size category or I am mad, because thats the only thing thats makes sense to me.

I have no idea where I was going with that the other day.

Okay, maybe I'll play advocate for the core rules for a second. I guess you could interpret that the core rules mean that after special cases for small, medium, large, and (smaller) huge-sized creatures for playability, a creature's reach is an "arm's length" - 1/2 height for tall creatures, and 1/3 length for long creatures. This "fits" the core rules and solves the 1.5 mile problem.

On second thought, no, it doesn't fit the core better. It breaks down again at shorter gargantuan creatures. It's really only good for colossal and above.

Well, I thought I was on to something that'd make both you and CRGreathouse happy. <sigh>

Do you mind sharing your thoughts on base speed as determined by creature size?

Well you have 3 possibilities:

1. Medium = 30 ft. + 10 ft./size (OFFICIAL)
2. Medium = 30 ft. x 1.5/size
3. Medium = 30 ft. x 2/size

 

[Fieari]

*whiney voice* Kruuuuuust.... you're inspiring me again without releasing the books so I can actually use that inspiration... stop it!!!!! */whiney voice*

Seriously... I'm just thinking about how you could use logically generalized rules like these to make yourself some spells/magic items such as the infamous 7-League Boots (increases your size to Mega-Level for purposes of determining stride only?)... the Bigbee Hand spells could be made epic with some sizing changes...

 

[Zoatebix]

Uh-oh. I just started talking about the "character" of a set of rules I analyzed for Tumble changing at epic levels on the "Build a Better Tumble" thread. I'm doing okay so far, but I'd love to have some crunch-minded people to help me out over there:

http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108888

Plus, other opinions are always nice, and the people who read this thread usually know their stuff.

In other news - Hmmmm "templates" for spells to make them Epic in scale. Like metamagic, but cool. I think you're on to something, Fieari.

-George

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi guys!

Glad I can inspire before the books even released.

In other news - Hmmmm "templates" for spells to make them Epic in scale. Like metamagic, but cool. I think you're on to something, Fieari.

Ostensibly thats how my magic system works. Of course there are things that you can only do at epic levels so you still need some new 'base spells' as it were.

But really it could be as simple as:

1. I want to...'cover all the lands in darkness'.
2. Use one (or more) of six new* types of magic to boost the spell level.
3. Shape the new spell parameters as you see fit (up to the new level).

*I say new, but some of the types of magic have certainly been used before, eg. Circle/Ritual magic. Though some are indeed new.

You can also reverse engineer everything so that you could have negative metamagic, allowing you to cast spells at a lower level by slightly weakening them.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi guys!

Just thought I would let you know that I updated the website with a few new elements including the first parts of the testimony section (writing credits and my favourite television), a new epic monster (The Crown Naga) and so forth.

Some of the links on the my favourite television pages are the wrong colour, and I haven't reread over all the paragraphs so they might need tweaking over the next few days, just to give you a heads up.