The Immortals Handbook

[CRGreathouse]

I ask because, for fun, I wanted to set up a slugfest between Jesus and Satan (from the old "Politics of Hell" article in Dragon) for a friend of mine, just for laughs (really it'd just be me referencing the stats and making jokes, but it's all good).

Bah. Look at the beginning of Luke 4, and you'll see it wouldn't be much of a competition anyway.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi BardStephenFox mate!

According to www.immortalshandbook.com:

Release Dates* :

Immortals Handbook Apotheosis pdf: Autumn 2004

Immortals Handbook Grimoire pdf: Autumn 2004

Immortals Handbook Bestiary pdf: Autumn 2004

Immortals Handbook Chronicle pdf: Autumn 2004

Immortals Handbook print version: Winter 2004

Immortals Index - Celtic Mythology pdf: Winter 2004

*tentative until confirmed

Though we are rapidly approaching the end of Autumn and there really isn't a whole lot of winter in 2004. I am guessing that those dates are no longer accurate.

Well they were 'tentative' lets remember.

I just updated the website with the new release dates and a more up to date bestiary list.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Bjorn mate!

Okay a few random guesses for this guessing game here:
Azrael?

Nope.

Adam Qadmon? (Worth a shot )

Nope. Cheeky - I'm not going to give it to you.

some sort of Demiurge?

Can you be more specific, you are very warm.

Sophia?

The same half point Anabstercorian was awarded.

Or in relation to the last two does it relate to Gnosticism in any way?

Possibly.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Alzrius mate!

This is straying mildly off-topic, but does anyone know of any D&D articles/products, etc. that have stats for Jesus? Edition doesn't matter, neither does it if it's second- or third-party status, but something that isn't off a fansite would be nice.

I ask because, for fun, I wanted to set up a slugfest between Jesus and Satan (from the old "Politics of Hell" article in Dragon) for a friend of mine, just for laughs (really it'd just be me referencing the stats and making jokes, but it's all good).

You could always have Adam Warlock fight Mephistopheles...by the way the two have fought in the comics and Adam Warlock won.

http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/adamwarlock.htm

http://www.classicmarvel.com/cast/mephisto.htm

Or try and convert Adam Warlocks stats to D&D.

I seem to recall S'mon had stats for Jesus (16th-level Cleric) way back when, although we never got to use them.

 

[Kavon]

Hey U_K

Let's see...

It's between the supreme one, and his.. voice (is that what you can call Metatron)?
The 'spirit' part of the holy spirit was half a point, Sophia was half a point.
Demiurge was close, but not specific enough.. It's possibly related to gnosticism..

Hmm...

*checks out some stuff*

Where would you put these Aeons? They're something like angels, or.. what? (I'm not sure, I'm still reading through this stuff, and I forgot the details of the thing I read quite some time ago)

According to Valentinus the Demiurge was the offspring of a union of Achamoth (he káta sophía or lower wisdom) with matter. And as Achamoth herself was only the daughter of Sophía the last of the thirty Æons... *snip*

This seems to tell me Aeons are above the Demiurge, and Sophia was simply one of them.

*checks some more*

These Æons belong to the purely ideal, noumenal, intelligible, or supersensible world; they are immaterial, they are hypostatic ideas. Together with the source from which they emanate they form the pleroma.

Sophia the Aeon is half a point, and "spirit" is another half point.

Is it this combined thing? This Pleroma? Or is it the Aeons in and of themselves? Still something different?

The First Source is GOD, the Supreme Being. Together with the Aeons it forms the Pleroma (I think?). From one of the Aeons (the Higher Wisdom, Sophia) came this Achamoth, the Lower Wisdom, which mothered the Demiurge together with matter. The Demiurge created the world, and thought itself the Supreme Being.

Something like that.. right? Which is what in all that?

Edit: Hmm.. Also found something on an Aeon called Soter, which was identified, among others, as Christ and/or Jesus (it seems some people see them as two seperate people/things in gnostism o.o ). This seems to relate somewhat to the Holy Spirit/Ghost (it being an Aeon and all).

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K

Hi Kavon mate!

Let's see...

It's between the supreme one, and his.. voice (is that what you can call Metatron)?

Metatron is the ultimate personification of good within the standard multiverse.

The 'spirit' part of the holy spirit was half a point, Sophia was half a point.

Demiurge was close, but not specific enough.. It's possibly related to gnosticism..

Absolutely.

Hmm...

*checks out some stuff*

Where would you put these Aeons?

Aeons is another name for Time Lord (in fact Aeon would be the esoteric name, Time Lord would be the exoteric name).

They're something like angels, or.. what? (I'm not sure, I'm still reading through this stuff, and I forgot the details of the thing I read quite some time ago)

Try Aspects of GOD, fragments of omnipotence, etc...

This seems to tell me Aeons are above the Demiurge, and Sophia was simply one of them.

*checks some more*

Aeons and Demiurges are technically the same thing except that the latter have divorced some of their power to create a multiverse.

Sophia the Aeon is half a point, and "spirit" is another half point.

Is it this combined thing? This Pleroma? Or is it the Aeons in and of themselves? Still something different?

The Time Lords are Aeons. Pleroma would be related to the Akashic energy.

I'll give you a full point for Aeons. I probably should have given you a full point for Sophia as well although that wasn't one of the main Time Lords I have found.

The First Source is GOD, the Supreme Being. Together with the Aeons it forms the Pleroma (I think?). From one of the Aeons (the Higher Wisdom, Sophia) came this Achamoth, the Lower Wisdom, which mothered the Demiurge together with matter. The Demiurge created the world, and thought itself the Supreme Being.

Something like that.. right? Which is what in all that?

The Demiurge would be the creator of a multiverse, but would itself be subordinate to the Supreme Being who created all Aeons.

Edit: Hmm.. Also found something on an Aeon called Soter, which was identified, among others, as Christ and/or Jesus (it seems some people see them as two seperate people/things in gnostism o.o ). This seems to relate somewhat to the Holy Spirit/Ghost (it being an Aeon and all).

There are quite a number of Aeons. I remember finding a site a while back which had over 30 Aeon names however the names alone don't really give you anything to go on so I only use those with at least a snippet of info or personality.

There are three main Aeons in mythology/the occult, then maybe three or four (including Sophia) that are not so familiar. Then there are over 30 names of other Aeons without details.

Of course then you have the High Lords.

 

[Knight Otu]

For what it's worth, Wikipedia has something to say about aeons.

And somewhat off-topic, some of you might find the "Industrial Revolution" by Serpenteyes interesting. UK, you are not allowed to look! You have to finish that book, after all.

 

[Fieari]

Hey Cool, so when I said Wisdom way back when, I -was- right, although I couldn't connect it with a mythological name... just like you said.

I like the name Aeon better then Time Lord, myself... Time Lord sounds much weaker than what they are, in my humble opinion. But whatever. I can call them Aeons easily enough.

The only problem I could forsee, with my players, is that they might start thinking Final Fantasy... FFX Aeons are no where NEAR mythological Aeons in power.

And neat! I already have a "Pantheon" of sorts written up for my campaigns Time Lords, though I didn't know it... and ordered them and all kinds of things.

Probable Top 10 ranked in my campaign:

#1: Supreme Being (The Composer)

#2: Aeon: Wisdom (Probably High Lord)
#3: (Tied)Aeon: Order
#3: (Tied)Aeon: Love
#4: Aeon: Freedom
#5: Aeon: Life
#6: Aeon: Sin

#7: First One: Death
#8: First One: Darkness
#9: First One: Entropy
#10: First One: Dischord

 

[Kavon]

Hi Kavon mate!

Hey U_K

Metatron is the ultimate personification of good within the standard multiverse.

Ah, ok, that way
The Satan is his opposite, then? What do Michael and the other high end angels do?

Aeons is another name for Time Lord (in fact Aeon would be the esoteric name, Time Lord would be the exoteric name).

Ooh, nifty :3

Try Aspects of GOD, fragments of omnipotence, etc...

Oh, right, like them being a part of the Pleroma, and such?

Aeons and Demiurges are technically the same thing except that the latter have divorced some of their power to create a multiverse.

Ok, that makes sense

The Time Lords are Aeons. Pleroma would be related to the Akashic energy.

Yeah, the Pleroma is the combined thing, much like the Akashic (still not sure how to use this word).. thing, right? :3

I'll give you a full point for Aeons. I probably should have given you a full point for Sophia as well although that wasn't one of the main Time Lords I have found.

Yeah, it would be same as saying Demiurge, right? Not specific enough.

The Demiurge would be the creator of a multiverse, but would itself be subordinate to the Supreme Being who created all Aeons.

Ok, so each universe would have a Demiurge Aeon who created it?

There are quite a number of Aeons. I remember finding a site a while back which had over 30 Aeon names however the names alone don't really give you anything to go on so I only use those with at least a snippet of info or personality.

Yeah, in my quick search last night, I found reference to 30 or 28 Aeons, but only two that were actually named (Sophia and Soter.. and the Demiurge and Lower Wisdom, I guess too, but I don't think they count those last two in the list).

There are three main Aeons in mythology/the occult, then maybe three or four (including Sophia) that are not so familiar. Then there are over 30 names of other Aeons without details.

Wooh

Of course then you have the High Lords.

Where do you get all this stuff?! :3

Edit: With that Wikipedia link Knight Otu posted, are some of those high end Aeons on those lists High Lords (Bythos and Sige, etc)?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Knight Otu mate!

For what it's worth, Wikipedia has something to say about aeons.

Thanks for the link mate...a few clues about the High Lords on that page, although far be it for me to point them out.

And somewhat off-topic, some of you might find the "Industrial Revolution" by Serpenteyes interesting. UK, you are not allowed to look! You have to finish that book, after all.

He he - okay.