D&D (2024) The Lackluster Ranger

[Charlaquin]

Because they won't be happy.

If you let Fighter and Ranger overlap that much, one of the two would be inferior and would be targeted for wishes for buffs.

See the other Alt+Other class classes.

we were plenty happy with it in 4e

 

[UngeheuerLich]

we were plenty happy with it in 4e

Define "we" .

 

[GnomeWorks]

we were plenty happy with it in 4e

That certainly is an assertion you can make, but it's not one I'm going to believe.

4e had a radically different class design philosophy from literally any other edition. Attempting to compare elements of any other edition to it is going to be largely unhelpful because of that.

 

[Charlaquin]

Define "we" .

The folks Minigiant and I were discussing, who want a spell-light or non-spellcasting ranger.

 

[Charlaquin]

That certainly is an assertion you can make, but it's not one I'm going to believe.

I mean, I was there, we were happy with it. Believe me or don’t, but I’m not lying when I say it.

4e had a radically different class design philosophy from literally any other edition. Attempting to compare elements of any other edition to it is going to be largely unhelpful because of that.

I’m just saying, folks who want a non-casting ranger do actually like having a non-casting ranger. What a concept.

 

[Horwath]

No. Just wearing green stockings.

And to the point: remove concentration from HM at level 13 and the ranger immediately becomes a capable damage dealer and controler at all levels and the capstone stops looking terrible.

you misspelled 5th level.

 

[Horwath]

Maybe.

I would have been ok with that.

Swift quiver without concentration would have been a good start.

I would not be a fan of that.

making a choice between 5th level summon or control spell vs. being a machinegun with bow is a valid choice.
HM vs a 5th level spell is not a valid choice.

 

[Minigiant]

we were plenty happy with it in 4e

4e is not what's being asked for.

Some People actually want Gray Fighter and Green Fighter.

2 classes that do virtually the same thing.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Even accepting for the sake of argument that a spell-light or spell-less ranger would just be another fighter (though for the record I disagree strongly on that point), if it’s what most players want, give it to them.

the moment you did that all the people who want a primal half-caster who are pretty quiet being vaguely satisfied with the current ranger would come out the woodwork, so if those people want that, shouldn't they also be given it shouldn't they?

 

[Chaltab]

satisfying everyone is a Challenge Rating 30 endeavor.