[+] The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - SPOILERS ALLOWED

Indeed, there is. And that particular work of fiction, and its contents, are excluded from the material that they can use in making this show.
As billd91 already said
They cannot directly use that material, true. But they also can't egregiously contradict it, according to the showrunners. That said, I'm not sure what the recourse would be if the Tolkien estate thought that elements of the show egregiously did contradict something deemed sufficiently important.
...according to their own words, the showrunners are both forbidden to use material from the Silmarillion AND to blatantly contradict it! I can understand that this is an uncomfortable situation for the writers to be in, but I think they've maneuvered themselves on thin ice.
At the very least they are stretching the definition of "contradicting" quite a bit, imho.
 

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As billd91 already said...according to their own words, the showrunners are both forbidden to use material from the Silmarillion AND to blatantly contradict it! I can understand that this is an uncomfortable situation for the writers to be in, but I think they've maneuvered themselves on thin ice.
At the very least they are stretching the definition of "contradicting" quite a bit, imho.
As I said previously, it's an impossible tightrope to walk. The only way that I can see them doing it is by being additive to the lore, rather than referencing it.
 

Mithril might be medicine for elves...or something else entirely. I feel it's a bit early for any reaction to it.
Yeah, even elf kings can be wrong. In fact, when you're talking about big mythic characters like these, the audience should expect huge mistakes, as we're currently barreling toward in Numenor.

"Whoops, it's just a bitchin' mineral" wouldn't be a shocking turn of events, especially if it means enmity between dwarves and elves for millennia over a mistaken hunch. Now THAT's epic and mythic. (Remember: The Trojan War started with a cringe-worthy beauty contest.)
 


As I said previously, it's an impossible tightrope to walk. The only way that I can see them doing it is by being additive to the lore, rather than referencing it.
Oh, I don't know that it's quite that hard. And yes, being additive would be one way to handle things - and they've certainly done that with events in the local communities around the lands that will become Mordor and with the migratory Harfoots. Dealing with known characters could be harder, but the Second Age is fairly undetailed except for names of Numenorean kings and a few bits on the timeline (which, I might add, has been pretty thoroughly tossed out the window). There's room for a LOT of non-contradictory detail and drama.

Edit: That wouldn't mean that all additions are good and not WTF/headscratch worthy. I've got a few of those going right now in certain plotlines of the show that are REALLY dragging it down, in my estimation, in ways that other additions are not.
 

I’m not saying it’s a horrible show but does it really have the spirit of Tolkien.
-we now have a new mysterious race of being hunting down a stranger who unlike gandolf (when he came back grey/white) can’t talk and is using powers not seen on the Tolkien universe or mentioned
Introducing new mysterious characters and having powerful characters showing unusual powers is very much in keeping with Tolkien storytelling. It happens all the time in The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit.
-mithril might now be basically medicine for elves . Never mentioned before and Gillis reaction to it made it sound like he had never seen it never mind nobody saying hey remember when the elves lied/told the truth about a miracle cure
Quite possibly factually contradictory, but contradictory to the spirit of Tolkien's work? Introducing a plot device that brings the mutual mistrust and divisiveness between elves and dwarves into sharp focus so that we can explore it within the course of a single show is good storytelling, and very reminiscent of the Arkenstone sharpening the divisiveness driving the disputes between dwarves, men and elves over the Lonely Mountain in The Hobbit.
-we have an evil elf. There is no recognition from another elf on who he could be
Do all elves recognise each other by sight?
 

Oh, I don't know that it's quite that hard. And yes, being additive would be one way to handle things - and they've certainly done that with events in the local communities around the lands that will become Mordor and with the migratory Harfoots. Dealing with known characters could be harder, but the Second Age is fairly undetailed except for names of Numenorean kings and a few bits on the timeline (which, I might add, has been pretty thoroughly tossed out the window). There's room for a LOT of non-contradictory detail and drama.

Edit: That wouldn't mean that all additions are good and not WTF/headscratch worthy. I've got a few of those going right now in certain plotlines of the show that are REALLY dragging it down, in my estimation, in ways that other additions are not.
I'm thinking of it from the standpoint of having to know all the material that you can't use, so that you don't contradict it, but you also can't incorporate any of it in the final work. "Impossible" might be over stating it a bit, but not a lot.
 

Maybe they appear differently in their mission in the Second Age (if this is them). I know everyone has said the Istari came to Middle Earth in the Third Age, but does anything say that was their first visit to Middle Earth?
Not what I recall, but I’m sure someone with a less hole-ridden memory can tell us if there is anything.
 

Maybe they appear differently in their mission in the Second Age (if this is them). I know everyone has said the Istari came to Middle Earth in the Third Age, but does anything say that was their first visit to Middle Earth?
In Unfinished Tales Tolkien places the two Blue Wizards in the Third Age along with Gandalf, Saruman and Radagast. They are named Alatar and Pallando.

In The Peoples of Middle-Earth, Tolkien places the two Blue Wizards in the Second Age. This is from a later period of the evolution of the legendarium, but was published many years after Unfinished Tales and so is, in some sense, less "canonical" - but in a different sense, more so. Their names are changed to Morinehtar and Rómestámo.
 

Better episode this week I quite liked it.

With adaptions I don't like them contradicting big plot points bjust because. I do expect them to gloss over some things, drop other thing tweak dialogue, add new stuff etc.

I'm not familiar with the source material (Bored of the Rings). Some of these episodes have been quite faithful in that aspect.

Mountain go boom that's Mount Doom pre Mordor forming?
 

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