The (new) Immortals Handbook Thread

[Dyson]

Which also reminds me. I've said this was a hoax two days ago.....where is he now?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey there.

Which also reminds me. I've said this was a hoax two days ago.....where is he now?

Right here.

Yeah, but at least that's the only part of their book that they're waiting on. Wanna make sure all the big boys are right. What have we gotten from IH? Definately not 8/9ths of his book.

...and how many people are working on GoH? Is there art in it (I don't remember seeing any in the downloads, I apologise if I am mistaken)?

So next time you wanna compare make sure you choose two apples, not an apple and an ashtray.

That seems overly spiteful, given that, by your own admission, you only have a casual knowledge of my work.

Look, let's be reasonable. This book has been talked about for what, 2 or 3 years? Maybe more. It's only been that long since i've known of it's supposed existance. Let's also look at all the things to have been shown to us from UK about his book.

Fire away.

1) Monster builds for some more mythological characters.
2) An apendix, which all it did was leave questions unanswered and conjured up more questions to be thought of. But it did leave us with a taste of what (at the time) seemed like a very neat system. More logical.
3) Descriptions to some feats.

I presume you are refering to what is quite siimply the most definitive Challenge Rating System, Encounter Level Revision and Class Building Mechanic on the internet. Adopted by Bad Axe Games for their acclaimed Grim Tales book.

Admittedly you neglected to mention my website.

Now let's se what Gates has givin you.
1) Chapter one
2) Chapter two
3) Chapter three
4) Chapter four
5) Chapter five
6) Chapter six
7) Chapter seven
8) Chapter eight
9) Templates that the creator himself has put out in public before his book ever came out. So you can make your own Demogorgon and not wait for his.
10) Most of teh creatures in chaptor 9 were previously posted, all we're waiting for is the complilation and whatever tweeks have been made since. But most of the entities are already posted.
11) Didn't TAKE 3 YEARS. The templates were concieved and only later was the book idea handled. And since that birth it's only been a year. Three times the time. Maybe putting some help on his book would increase the production.

...and essentially how many man-years of work have they already put in on GoH?

12) No secrecy.

I don't remember not answering a pertinent question about the IH. What would you like to know?

My point is this.....for so much talk for so long. I think it's crap.

Well you're entitled to your opinion, but I don't remember asking anyone to devote time or money as yet.

I think he wanted to be thought of as a good designer around the boards, made up some junk to get us flock to him,

What junk is this exactly?

and just periodically makes up stuff to give us the impression of 'work' being done. It's a damned hoax.

Well I hope you are hungry because you are going to be eating a lot of words shortly.

 

[Dragonblade]

I have had my eye on this for a long time now. How far away are you from a print version of this?

I totally want this book.

 

[historian]

Agree w/U_K.

I've noticed a strong bit of negativity in this thread lately, and it's frankly embarrasing. While U_K has (by his own admission) missed deadlines, I believe any failure there is largely self-imposed in the hopes that he delivers something that better gels with 3.5 ed.'s crunchy rules. Nevertheless, I haven't noticed a material alteration to the concept since the inception of his posts. While I wish as much as anyone that U_K would release everything, even if only in draft form, I understand his reasons for not doing so.

Apparently, Dyson's intent is to either: (1) light a fire under U_K's rear so that things are wrapped up (understandable from a thematic standpoint); or to (2) simply detract from U_K's considerable efforts to date and the IH generally (wholly unjustifiable).

Dyson, if you have anything constructive to add, I (and I suspect everyone frequenting this post) would love to view it. Otherwise, as a serious viewer of the substantive material in this thread, I would appreciate if you declined to share it.

 

[Campbell]

UK Mate,

I just wanted to offer you my gratitude for your CR/EL Document. No supplemental material, perhaps with the exception of die_kluge's Artificer's, has had a more significant impact on my game.

Dyson,

I am sorry you feel the way you do about Upper Krust. Perhaps you could offer us your take on revising the divinity rules put forth by WotC. In general, I'd prefer if we could remain civil. I've enjoyed the work that you and others have put into Gates, and I'm fairly certain that you are indeed a mature, intelligent, rational human being. If you don't believe Upper Krust can deliver on the promises he's made that's fine, but there is little need to resort to name calling.

 

[Baronovan]

Grim Tales was a good book. But didn't I only see your name in the playtester's credits, UK? I don't recall (I could be wrong) seeing you listed as a developer. I was wondering about that when I flipped through the book on the aisle since it was clearly your system in the appendices.

 

[Campbell]

Grim Tales was a good book. But didn't I only see your name in the playtester's credits, UK? I don't recall (I could be wrong) seeing you listed as a developer. I was wondering about that when I flipped through the book on the aisle since it was clearly your system in the appendices.

UK aka Craig cochrane is credited in the OGL License copyright notice section.

Challenging Challenge Ratings: Immortals Handbook Copyright 2003, Craig Cochrane
Encountering Encounter Levels: Immortals Handbook Copyright 2003, Craig Cochrane
Design Parameters: Immortal's Handbook Copyright 2003, Craig Cochrane

 

[Dyson]

Historian, no you're pretty much right. I'm tired of all the talk and just want something to be done. And if someone expresses some disapointment in the organization process then maybe he might be inclined to work harder knowing that he is losing hopeful purchaser's of his material.


Campbell,
Honestly, my take?.....D&DG isn't that bad. Regardless of most of the mechanics, looking at what it represents, it fits just fine. It's only problem is it's lack of integration with the ELH. More epic Dieties would make for so much more power. That alone is the biggest step in fixing Dieties.

Name calling? I didn't call anybody anything. I said this was a hoax.

 

[Baronovan]

UK aka Craig cochrane is credited in the OGL License copyright notice section.

Okay, cool. I only gave it a cursory glance at the store where I work.

 

[Campbell]

Campbell,
Honestly, my take?.....D&DG isn't that bad. Regardless of most of the mechanics, looking at what it represents, it fits just fine. It's only problem is it's lack of integration with the ELH. More epic Dieties would make for so much more power. That alone is the biggest step in fixing Dieties.

Name calling? I didn't call anybody anything. I said this was a hoax.

Dyson;
I'm quite sorry. I know I was overly agressive, but it seemed like you were stepping outside the bounds of polite communication, and I've been a tad overstimulated lately. As far as the D&Dg mechanics go, I do think there are problems with the mechanics, mainly that the threat level posed by dieties of varying Divine Rank becomes almost impossible to measure, which can be problematic if you want to play a game involving PC dieties. D&Dg also introduces rules components that step on the toes of way too many standard rules. As far as I'm concerned shoddy mechanics are still shoddy mechanics even if they never come into play. Additionally, I am in agreement over the lack of integration with the ELH.

As far as name calling goes, I guess this is what really set me off.

Wow...even lurkers fear me. I didn;t know I affected the pansy's!. OH!

I'll be good now. I promise.