D&D General The Player's Quantum Ogre: Warlock Pacts

[Remathilis]

Partially yes, that is part of the social contract no? Here's my end of the bargain; Participation, politeness, and respect of the world and scenario you created with the payment that I have final say over my character.

I'm of the same opinion: the DM has complete control over the setting, the NPCs, the adventures, and rules arbitration. In return, I have complete control over my PC. In all areas where these two principles come into conflict, it is the responsibility of both parties to find a satisfactory compromise for both parties. That can include the DM giving up some of his control over setting or adventure to accommodate the PC and it can entail the player to compromise on his character concept to fit the world or adventure. The important thing to remember is neither party has automatic right to their pov trumping the other; the player's vision doesn't overrule the DMs game and the DMs game doesn't overrule the player's vision.

 

[Necropolitan]

I'm of the same opinion: the DM has complete control over the setting, the NPCs, the adventures, and rules arbitration. In return, I have complete control over my PC. In all areas where these two principles come into conflict, it is the responsibility of both parties to find a satisfactory compromise for both parties. That can include the DM giving up some of his control over setting or adventure to accommodate the PC and it can entail the player to compromise on his character concept to fit the world or adventure. The important thing to remember is neither party has automatic right to their pov trumping the other; the player's vision doesn't overrule the DMs game and the DMs game doesn't overrule the player's vision.

The DM CAN decide the player's not a good fit for their campaign and kick them out though.

 

[GobHag]

The DM CAN decide the player's not a good fit for their campaign and kick them out though.

Seems like a good thing that that DM authority has become more and more questioned then.

 

[Scribe]

Seems like a good thing that that DM authority has become more and more questioned then.

I mean not really, its always been like this.

If a player doesnt like how the DM runs it? Leave.
If ALL the players dont like how the DM runs it? Leave.
If the DM doesnt like how a player behaves? Remove them.
If the DM doesnt like how all the players behave? Form a new group.

 

[Necropolitan]

Seems like a good thing that that DM authority has become more and more questioned then.

It's not.

DMs shouldn't be forced to include players they don't want in their campaigns.

 

[TorgoTheWhite]

Why. Clerics gods don't get directly involved.

Their institutions do. Their temples/church typically have a whole load of commandments or expectations. This is likely on the DM and expectation setting if their is no communication with a temple. I personally love the church hierarchy stuff in my game. But, yeah, probably not speaking with gods on the micro-level.

 

[TorgoTheWhite]

One: sometimes they do. Depends on the god. Certainly other members of the faith might take a more active role.

Two: warlocks patrons (mostly) seem to have a more intimate relationship with their warlocks.

Yes, one is institutional, one is individualized.

 

[Micah Sweet]

So why are the players even playing then? The GM can just have a bunch of mannequins that'll do whatever they say anyways

Because in practice most GMs aren't merciless tyrants looking for squeeze their players into submission. Sorry to burst your bubble on that.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Partially yes, that is part of the social contract no? Here's my end of the bargain; Participation, politeness, and respect of the world and scenario you created with the payment that I have final say over my character.

Final say in what sense? How far does that go? I can think of several ridiculous extremes that could follow from your claim.

 

[Scribe]

Partially yes, that is part of the social contract no? Here's my end of the bargain; Participation, politeness, and respect of the world and scenario you created with the payment that I have final say over my character.

Your 'payment' is participating in the game lol