The Superman Returns spoiler thread.

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I thought it would be cool if, since Superman's son was born on Earth, he only had his powers if he was near kryptonite. Then the whole kryptonite island scene could have gone slighlty differently. Some little kid beating up Lex, heh.
 

My main problem with the Super-kid is that it will infect future movies. Instead of more slam-bang comic action we will see Clark trying to be a parent and that kind of crap. I just don't go to a Superman movie for that kind of stuff.
 

The Bad Astronomer has a good review that covers a lot of the "superscience" used in the move: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/movies/superman_returns_review.html. (Why Red Giant stars don't just explode, what they did get right with the science used, etc.)

Check out the Bunnies cliip at the end of the article (for the original Superman but still pretty funny): http://www.starz.com/features/bunnyclub/superman/index.html Heh. I got more entertainment value out of those 30 seconds than I did for the entire loooong Superman Returns experience, unfortunately...
 


Info about a future movie http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=20836

Will Hollywood blockbuster budgets continue to fly "up, up and away?" Not necessarily.

At least, not at Warner Bros. Pictures. After a $225 million "Pirates of the Caribbean" sailed into port, taking the wind out of "Superman Returns'" $205 million Spandex, Warner Bros. executives are said to be circumspect as to whether the Man of Steel will fly again.

Talent agency insiders with ties to the film tell TMZ that Warner Bros. Pictures president and COO Alan Horn has informed agents that a sequel hinges on whether grosses of "Superman Returns" can crest the $200 million mark domestically. What's more, the studio plans to shave millions - many millions - off any "Superman" sequel's budget. (Amusingly, in the current "Superman Returns," Lois Lane pleads with Lex Luthor, "But millions will die! " It turns out she was right on the money.)

As Variety's box office guru Ben Fritz noted last July 4th, "Superman Returns is off to a strong start, albeit not as fast as a speeding bullet. Warner Bros. superhero tent pole grossed a solid $52.5 million on its opening weekend and $74 million over the five-day Fourth of July frame. Since its Wednesday opening, the Bryan Singer-helmed franchise restart has taken in $106 million."

Talent agency insiders, speaking on the condition of anonymity, insist that Horn is so concerned about being burned financially by ionospheric "Superman" special effects costs that any sequel's budget would cost far less than Bryan Singer's quarter billion dollar baby: a meager $150 million. That's a whopping $35 million less than its predecessor was green lit at, and roughly $55 million less than "Superman Returns" alleged final negative cost. So much for a getting a raise.

However, no one could blame Horn for being cautious. Despite opening at No. 1 in all its territories, overseas, the Man of Steel is starting to look just a bit rusty. The just-ended World Cup meant that Warner Bros. took a pass on European and Latin American territories, and its second weekend in release overseas, "Superman Returns" dipped 55% to take in $9 million from 1,800 prints in 14 markets.

We're bracing to hear how director Bryan Singer will react to this newfound fiscal restraint.

Our guess: Not well.

Says one executive involved in the production and financing of "Superman Returns," "They can try and spin it as 'There are certain economies of scale that come from the making of the first one, blah blah blah. But the reality is, it's harder to play in a smaller sandbox and still push the envelope."

Calls place to Horn were not returned, and a studio spokeswoman declined to comment on the fiscal retrenchment.
 

Lord Pendragon said:
I was particularly disappointed that they went with the "bumbling Clark Kent." Eventually, Lois is supposed to choose Clark over Superman. Choose the real personality over the flashy powers. But Reeves' Clark Kent was never the kind of man Lois would fall for. It was one of the strongest points of the Lois and Clark TV series, IMO, that Clark Kent was actually a cool enough guy that you could believe Lois actually picking him over Superman. Still wholesome and good, but with positive qualities. Reeves' Clark just does not strike me as the kind of guy a powerful, career-oriented woman like Lois Lane is going to pick over Superman. I was disappointed to see that Singer decided to use that interpretation, pretty much whole-turkey.Well, I did enjoy the movie. I just wish it would have been even better. I had hoped for a Spider-man level of quality, and wound up with an X-Men level of quality. Good, but not great. ;)

I'm with you on the disappointment of the Lex girlfriend and the over-all quality of the film. Was hoping to be awed.

But I disagree with your preference for Clark Kent. I happen to like geeky and timid Clark Kent version for several reasons. One reason is, it is such a big contrast to the Superman persona that it adds more credibility to his Clark disquise. We already roll our eyes with just putting on the glasses and combing the hair different thing. But posture, mannerisms, and all the other dorky things helps the audience suspend reality a bit more. Another reason.....and my main reason.....is that I like seeing non-typical things. You say you can't see someone as strong as Lois falling for a dork like Clark? Who says all intelligent, beautiful, and strong women HAVE to fall for guys that are "cool"? Sometimes girls just geet sick of the "cool" guy....sometimes they like the sweet and dependable guy...even if he is a dork. I would admire Lois more when she finally chooses Clark over Superman. Then I would see that she sees past the social awkwardness and realizes he's a good man. A girl falling the 'cool' guy isn't an accomplishment. No duh a girl would fall for someone cool. Its when someone falls for the right person is when its admirable.

That's what made Rick Hunter's journey in Robotech cool. He finally realized that the girl for him wasn't the flashy singer....but the older more homely girl next door Lisa Hayes.

I like the dorky Clark Kent. I like seeing people in the office ignore him and not going out of their way to rub elbows with him. He's totally invisible in the office. Which makes his secret identity more credible. Better yet though....I like the irony of seeing people who would act friendly around Superman ignore Clark. I like that the most sought after bachelor in the world is walking about un-noticed by all those ladies at the Daily Planet.
For me, its like there's a message saying....."see ladies, sometimes your Superman is right in front of you and you don't know it....."

I like that. :)
 

Chain Lightning said:
That's what made Rick Hunter's journey in Robotech cool. He finally realized that the girl for him wasn't the flashy singer....but the older more homely girl next door Lisa Hayes.
100 points for the Robotech/Macross reference. I declare you the winner.

(However, I always thought Lisa Hayes was hot, so what do I know?) :D
 



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