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The Superman Returns spoiler thread.
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I just got back from seeing it. I thought it was just OK, nothing great. I was disapointed that the accually made the kid Superman's Son, way too typical. I thought the ending needed to be tightened up, that dragged on too long after the big action climax. I also did not like how they turned Superman into a stalker.
stevelabny
Explorer
GAH.
this was bad.
DC strikes out again at the box office, maybe one year theyll get one right.
Slow, plodding and sometimes tedious...the spider-man trailer had more action than this entire movie. 2:30 but so much of that time was devoted to the tertiary characters that it was ridiculous. I guess we know that Singer wooed Marsters by offering him a hero scene he didnt get in X-Men, unfortunately it was just a waste of film.
The near-death of Superman was executed poorly. First, he just gets beaten and stabbed by Luthor and tons of Kryptonite. Whoopee. How about a knock-down drag out fight for the ages if Superman is gonna die... say what you want about the Death of Superman storyline in the comics, but at least that created the epic feel necessary for bringing down the most powerful superhero.
Then, to not follow the near-death experience with a good butt-kicking made no sense, and really makes the end of the movie a depressing drag...when that's NOT what they were going for (or else youd just leave it with an "is he dead" cliffhanger)
and my problem with the kid isnt even making the kid his son, as it would be strongly hinted anyway, its the weak way it was revealed and accepted and dealt with. much better to just leave it a question and deal with it next movie.
the people i went with questioned some of the sfx, but i thought the movie looked pretty enough, although shaky cam should always be removed, the airplane and car sequences were excruciating.
Slightly better than the garbagey Batman movie.... I give this dreck a 4 out of 10.
(Cuz I think I gave Batman a 3. I might have given it a 4 though, but I've since watched it a second time and it still sucked so call it a 3.)
this was bad.
DC strikes out again at the box office, maybe one year theyll get one right.
Slow, plodding and sometimes tedious...the spider-man trailer had more action than this entire movie. 2:30 but so much of that time was devoted to the tertiary characters that it was ridiculous. I guess we know that Singer wooed Marsters by offering him a hero scene he didnt get in X-Men, unfortunately it was just a waste of film.
The near-death of Superman was executed poorly. First, he just gets beaten and stabbed by Luthor and tons of Kryptonite. Whoopee. How about a knock-down drag out fight for the ages if Superman is gonna die... say what you want about the Death of Superman storyline in the comics, but at least that created the epic feel necessary for bringing down the most powerful superhero.
Then, to not follow the near-death experience with a good butt-kicking made no sense, and really makes the end of the movie a depressing drag...when that's NOT what they were going for (or else youd just leave it with an "is he dead" cliffhanger)
and my problem with the kid isnt even making the kid his son, as it would be strongly hinted anyway, its the weak way it was revealed and accepted and dealt with. much better to just leave it a question and deal with it next movie.
the people i went with questioned some of the sfx, but i thought the movie looked pretty enough, although shaky cam should always be removed, the airplane and car sequences were excruciating.
Slightly better than the garbagey Batman movie.... I give this dreck a 4 out of 10.
(Cuz I think I gave Batman a 3. I might have given it a 4 though, but I've since watched it a second time and it still sucked so call it a 3.)
WayneLigon
Adventurer
Just got back from seeing it. An amazing, awesome movie all the way around. It's both a fantastic continuation of the first two films, and it's own movie all at the same time. I really can't say too many good things about it.
RangerWickett
Legend
I watched it, and it was okay, but the more I think about it the less I like it. Seriously, give the movie about an hour to sink in, and look back at the point of it all. It's pretty meager.
Kevin Spacey was a joy to watch, though a moron.
Smallville was a better interpretation of Superman than this.
Kevin Spacey was a joy to watch, though a moron.
Smallville was a better interpretation of Superman than this.
Mouseferatu
Hero
Wow. While I can see how aspects of it wouldn't appeal to everyone, I'm surprised by the amount of negativity. I think it's one of the top five comic book movies I've ever seen.
I'm not thrilled about the "super son" angle, but I'm interested in seeing how they follow it up in sequels. And I thought the casting and acting were absolutely spot-on.
I'm not thrilled about the "super son" angle, but I'm interested in seeing how they follow it up in sequels. And I thought the casting and acting were absolutely spot-on.
Lord Pendragon
First Post
Hrm. I'm glad you put this part in. Since I thought Batman Begins was absolutely fantastic, it lets me know that you and I don't see movies in the same light. Not even close.stevelabny said:
Still...there's enough negativity in the thread to make me trepidatious. Will have to see when I get a chance to watch it for myself.
ShadowDenizen
Explorer
Well, here we go...
Well, I went to a 10 o'clock Tuesday night screening.
So, here's my thoughts. There's alot to say, so sorry if I ramble. (I'll try not to give too much away, but be warned there are some spoilers herein!!)
Overall, I really, really liked it. One of the better comic adaptions I've seen in quite a long time. I went it with high expectations, and they were defintiely met, if not exceeded.
Was it perfect?
No, far from it. (Though I'm surprised to see such negativity towards it!)
The bad?
Kevin Spacey. I like him as an actor, he just seemed to be a scenery chewer in this movie. He lacked the sinisterness and nuances that Michael Rosenbaum and Gene Hackman brought to the part.
Also, they didn't have any truly direct conflict between Superman and Lex, certainly no link worthy of Smallville or the comics.
And Lex's "evil plan"? To become a land baron? OOOH, scary. Except not.
And why would you not fire that Kyptonian crytal from a fair distance away, instead of being right in the epicenter of where the blast is tot take place?
The anvillicious "Jesus" parallels. You don't have to look very hard to find them: they're in quite a few of the scenes; even my friends pre-teen son noticed the symbology. They were REALLY trying to make Superman a messianic hero.
I agree about the airplane sceen; it was really hard to discern exactly what was goign on at given moment due to the "shaky-cam".
The good?
Brandon Routh.
It can't be said enough.
Me, too.
But a well-deserved one, if I do say so myself. Brandon seems very comfortable in this role, at least to my eyes. He seems to inhabit both the Clark and Superman roles with equal vigor and ease. I hope this movie kick-starts his career into high-gear, and I look forward to seeing alot more of Brandon in the future.
The movie really hinges on him, and the relationship between Lois and Clark, and they really carried that aspect off well. AND, they don't take the easy way out: it would've been really easy to kill Richard off in this film, but they left that thread hanging, which made for a truly bittersweet ending.
Eva Marie Saint. It's unfortunate she wasn't in this more, but fortunately a little Eva goes a long way! I would have liked to have seen a few more scenes between the two of them.
Frank Langella: Any move that gives Frank Lagella work is OK by me!
The special effects: Normally, I'm not one to notice things like this, but I really noticed how seamless the effects (in particular the flying sequences) seemed to me.
And? The film was dedicated to Christopher and Dana Reeves. This earned a standing round of applause from the crowd where I saw it.
Don't you mean "Lanaville"? 'Cause that's what it's felels like to me.
Well, I went to a 10 o'clock Tuesday night screening.
So, here's my thoughts. There's alot to say, so sorry if I ramble. (I'll try not to give too much away, but be warned there are some spoilers herein!!)
Overall, I really, really liked it. One of the better comic adaptions I've seen in quite a long time. I went it with high expectations, and they were defintiely met, if not exceeded.
Was it perfect?
No, far from it. (Though I'm surprised to see such negativity towards it!)
The bad?
Kevin Spacey. I like him as an actor, he just seemed to be a scenery chewer in this movie. He lacked the sinisterness and nuances that Michael Rosenbaum and Gene Hackman brought to the part.
Also, they didn't have any truly direct conflict between Superman and Lex, certainly no link worthy of Smallville or the comics.
And Lex's "evil plan"? To become a land baron? OOOH, scary. Except not.
And why would you not fire that Kyptonian crytal from a fair distance away, instead of being right in the epicenter of where the blast is tot take place?
The anvillicious "Jesus" parallels. You don't have to look very hard to find them: they're in quite a few of the scenes; even my friends pre-teen son noticed the symbology. They were REALLY trying to make Superman a messianic hero.
I agree about the airplane sceen; it was really hard to discern exactly what was goign on at given moment due to the "shaky-cam".
The good?
Brandon Routh.
It can't be said enough.
Me, too.
But a well-deserved one, if I do say so myself. Brandon seems very comfortable in this role, at least to my eyes. He seems to inhabit both the Clark and Superman roles with equal vigor and ease. I hope this movie kick-starts his career into high-gear, and I look forward to seeing alot more of Brandon in the future.
The movie really hinges on him, and the relationship between Lois and Clark, and they really carried that aspect off well. AND, they don't take the easy way out: it would've been really easy to kill Richard off in this film, but they left that thread hanging, which made for a truly bittersweet ending.
Eva Marie Saint. It's unfortunate she wasn't in this more, but fortunately a little Eva goes a long way! I would have liked to have seen a few more scenes between the two of them.
Frank Langella: Any move that gives Frank Lagella work is OK by me!
The special effects: Normally, I'm not one to notice things like this, but I really noticed how seamless the effects (in particular the flying sequences) seemed to me.
And? The film was dedicated to Christopher and Dana Reeves. This earned a standing round of applause from the crowd where I saw it.
Don't you mean "Lanaville"? 'Cause that's what it's felels like to me.
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frankthedm
First Post
What do you expect from the superman soap opera?ShadowDenizen said:Don't you mean "Lanaville"? 'Cause that's what it's felels like to me.
RangerWickett
Legend
So this movie encourages:
1. Dead-beat dads.
2. Being a creepy stalker.
3. Skipping out on your civic duties (not appearing in court, not paying your medical bills, and I'm pretty sure Clark didn't pay any taxes the year he up and vanished)
The movie hits the right emotional notes, and if you don't think about it, it's actually kind of enjoyable. But if you lend a few minutes of thought to it, you'll see that Superman as a character has a simplistic view of a world that is amazingly complex. I feel that the movie is weaker because of its simplicity. With the 70s and 80s version of Superman, we had the faith of a child that a man could do wonders and be uncorruptible and undefeatable. But nearly thirty years later, as much as we want someone with those traits, we need to see the person at least own up to the temptations and challenges of being human.
Sometimes Superman can be an interesting character -- this usually occurs when a comic writer decides to confront the moral issues being immensely more powerful than everyone else presents. In this movie, however, he's just not interesting. He has no personal conflict, except that he's hung up on his ex-girlfriend. Y'know, Supes, while you're using your X-Ray vision to violate their personal privacy, I'm sure hundreds of people around the world are dying.
I don't want a Superman movie to be bleak, but I don't want it to be blind either. I honestly had expected a bit more from Bryan Singer.
And I have enough time to go into how badly written the dialogue was, or how poorly-realized Lex Luthor was, how stupid he was to keep his ditz around, and all in all how pathetic the conflict was. Honestly, the only character I liked in the movie was someone not even in the Superman mythos -- Richard whatshisname, who was Lois's boyfriend. Everyone else was lame.
Sigh. I need to go. I give the movie 5 out of 10.
1. Dead-beat dads.
2. Being a creepy stalker.
3. Skipping out on your civic duties (not appearing in court, not paying your medical bills, and I'm pretty sure Clark didn't pay any taxes the year he up and vanished)
The movie hits the right emotional notes, and if you don't think about it, it's actually kind of enjoyable. But if you lend a few minutes of thought to it, you'll see that Superman as a character has a simplistic view of a world that is amazingly complex. I feel that the movie is weaker because of its simplicity. With the 70s and 80s version of Superman, we had the faith of a child that a man could do wonders and be uncorruptible and undefeatable. But nearly thirty years later, as much as we want someone with those traits, we need to see the person at least own up to the temptations and challenges of being human.
Sometimes Superman can be an interesting character -- this usually occurs when a comic writer decides to confront the moral issues being immensely more powerful than everyone else presents. In this movie, however, he's just not interesting. He has no personal conflict, except that he's hung up on his ex-girlfriend. Y'know, Supes, while you're using your X-Ray vision to violate their personal privacy, I'm sure hundreds of people around the world are dying.
I don't want a Superman movie to be bleak, but I don't want it to be blind either. I honestly had expected a bit more from Bryan Singer.
And I have enough time to go into how badly written the dialogue was, or how poorly-realized Lex Luthor was, how stupid he was to keep his ditz around, and all in all how pathetic the conflict was. Honestly, the only character I liked in the movie was someone not even in the Superman mythos -- Richard whatshisname, who was Lois's boyfriend. Everyone else was lame.
Sigh. I need to go. I give the movie 5 out of 10.
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