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The "Torment a Historian" movie playlist thread

Orius

Adventurer
Well, Wild Wild West gets a bit of a pass for not being serious history at all.

I saw that sequel I was a kid or maybe in my early teens. I don't really remember, but I was old enough to understand just how little it made sense. I do vaguely remember a scene where they encounter some German soldiers and the German guys are acting like "WTF is this black guy doing here?!" Reaaaaly awkward. It was like the movie knew it was dumb, tried to hang a lampshade on it, but the drunk guy at the party went home with it on his head instead.
 

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I enjoyed the first series of The Medici, with Dustin Hoffman and Richard Madden. Some liberties taken with historical fact, but still enjoyable. Then came the second series and they Millennialed it all up.

Another one that's particularly bad is Reign.
 

Ryujin

Hero
I had the same reaction to the (admittedly ahistorical) Wild Wild West with Will Smith. While there were indeed black secret service agents at the time, they were not going to be selected for the kinds of missions the show (& movie) depicted.
But at least Jon Peters got his giant spider, that he didn't get to have in "Superman Lives" :ROFLMAO:
 


Lanefan

Victoria Rules
Asking for historical accuracy from an obvious send-up like A Knight's Tale is pointless, and defeats the purpose. Ditto with something like Xena: Warrior Princess; a glorious mash-up of different timelines utterly lacking in anything resembling historical accuracy yet providing excellent inspoiration for D&D game settings. :)
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
Asking for historical accuracy from an obvious send-up like A Knight's Tale is pointless, and defeats the purpose. Ditto with something like Xena: Warrior Princess; a glorious mash-up of different timelines utterly lacking in anything resembling historical accuracy yet providing excellent inspoiration for D&D game settings. :)
The thing that annoyed me most about the Hercules/Xena setting was how many hundreds of years were covered by it.
 

Orius

Adventurer
To be fair... almost all movies about "The Old West" are historically inaccurate. They've always been more like mythology, rather than any attempt at realism.

Yeah, there's a lot of wild and inaccurate stories going from dime novel influences, through stuff from Hollywood's Golden Age which had a lot of romanticized nonsense and so on. But some of them make good stories.

The thing that annoyed me most about the Hercules/Xena setting was how many hundreds of years were covered by it.
More like thousands.

Generally the shows put them about 15-20 years after whenever the Trojan War occured. Whatever historical events inspired that would be about roughly 1200 BC. The Dahak storyline had Hercules going to Babylon and hanging out with Gilgamesh. Both of course are mythological figures (though possibly based on historical figures) but Gilgamesh's story is much older than Hercules. Then Xena visits something that looks like it was supposed to be late Warring States China, and she's got Julius Caesar as an arch enemy, and he mostly lived in 1st century BC. Hercules though was a less serious show, where Xena had me rolling my eyes more, and I eventually gave up on the latter.
 

Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
I didn’t watch either enough to catch all of the jumbles, but I recall a Xena episode that tied into the story of Abraham‘s near sacrifice of Isaac (estimated around 2100 BCE) and her having Caesar as an enemy, That drove me nuts.
 



Just as a side note, I don't think Uwe Boll is as terrible a director as people make him out to be. He is just the internet's favorite punching bag. Consider this:

-Most of his actors enjoy working with him
-He delivers his movies by the deadline
-He doesn't go over budget
-When he needs extras to play prostitutes, he just get some real ones to play the part.
-He was able to get a semi decent performance out of Michael Madsen, who is drunk off his arse most of the time.
-He is delightfully honest in interviews.
-AFAIK, no one ever died or got gravely injured during the filming of any of his movies.

Most Hollywood directors do not meet these criteria.
 
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Orius

Adventurer
I didn’t watch either enough to catch all of the jumbles, but I recall a Xena episode that tied into the story of Abraham‘s near sacrifice of Isaac (estimated around 2100 BCE) and her having Caesar as an enemy, That drove me nuts.

Well, any historical basis for Gilgamesh is though to have occurred sometime between 3000 and 2500 BC, so that's even further back.

I dunno, Hercules was never very serious, and was often entertaining, and so the sillier anachronisms can usually be ignored. Xena though eventually drove me nuts with all the nonsense going on with Callisto, Dahak, and Caesar, and by the end of the fourth season, I lost my patience with it. And I never liked Gabrielle.
 


Lanefan

Victoria Rules
Well, any historical basis for Gilgamesh is though to have occurred sometime between 3000 and 2500 BC, so that's even further back.

I dunno, Hercules was never very serious, and was often entertaining, and so the sillier anachronisms can usually be ignored. Xena though eventually drove me nuts with all the nonsense going on with Callisto, Dahak, and Caesar, and by the end of the fourth season, I lost my patience with it. And I never liked Gabrielle.
Xena's fourth season was weak. Fifth was hit and miss. Sixth got back toward the whimsy of the first three, and was better as a result.
 

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