D&D General The Tyranny of Rarity

[Filthy Lucre]

This is demonstrably not the case. History is littered with authoritarians that were decidedly NOT efficient.

Worth noting is the sheer number of competent people that were sidelined or murdered for disagreeeing with a tyrant, and the sheer number of incompetent people relied on as trusted advisors simply because they had the tyrant’s ear.

Whats faster? I tell you to do something or 10 people in a committee discuss what to do?
Furthermore, "there exist inefficient authoritarians" is not going to overcome the reply that "there exist inefficient non-authoritarians".

I'm not defining efficiency by "getting good results" I'm defining it by "implements things more simply and quickly".

 

[DND_Reborn]

Wait, I read that as Lol was the name of the game being discussed, it wasn't?

Maybe is was, but I don't think so... I could be wrong.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

Wait, I read that as Lol was the name of the game being discussed, it wasn't?

Yes. League of Legends.

 

[Cadence]

Yes. League of Legends.

I really need happy hour to come soon. I mean, I even know that game exists so my brain should have picked up on that itself.

 

[DND_Reborn]

Yes. League of Legends.

"lol" I stand corrected.

This is really confusing...

I really need happy hour to come soon.

I'll buy the first round.

 

[Umbran]

That's not an opinion, it's a fact - why am I not supposed to say facts out loud?

Except, it isn't fact, as has already been pointed out.

Authoritarianism may have faster decisions making - but fast decision making doesn't equal efficiency. Quickly coming to a bad decisions can be very wasteful and inefficient, overall.

 

[FrozenNorth]

Whats faster? I tell you to do something or 10 people in a committee discuss what to do?
Furthermore, "there exist inefficient authoritarians" is not going to overcome the reply that "there exist inefficient non-authoritarians".

I'm not defining efficiency by "getting good results" I'm defining it by "implements things more simply and quickly".

There is a pretty famous story about D-day. The German response to the offensive was delayed because no one wanted to wake up Hitler and be the bearer of bad news, or incur his wrath by making a decision without his input.

The larger point is in an authoritarian system, decision makers cannot rely on information they receive since subordinates fear punishment for bearing bad news. Subordinates also fear punishment for making decisions that are contrary to those the leader would take.

Finally, in an authoritarian system, you cannot rely on people on the same level sharing information, since trusting other people is a good way to be denounced.

The result is not efficient: one (or a few people) makes decisions, but they are working with incorrect information, no one is willing to take the initiative to fix anything, and the lack of trust slows down any decision making.

Or to put it a slightly different way, you think people tend to CYA in a democracy? It’s even worse when failing to do can result in imprisonment or execution.

 

[Filthy Lucre]

There is a pretty famous story about D-day. The German response to the offensive was delayed because no one wanted to wake up Hitler and be the bearer of bad news, or incur his wrath by making a decision without his input.

The larger point is in an authoritarian system, decision makers cannot rely on information they receive since subordinates fear punishment for bearing bad news. Subordinates also fear punishment for making decisions that are contrary to those the leader would take.

Finally, in an authoritarian system, you cannot rely on people on the same level sharing information, since trusting other people is a good way to be denounced.

The result is not efficient: one (or a few people) makes decisions, but they are working with incorrect information, no one is willing to take the initiative to fix anything, and the lack of trust slows down any decision making.

Or to put it a slightly different way, you think people tend to CYA in a democracy? It’s even worse when failing to do can result in imprisonment or execution.

You didn't answer my question.

In principle, which of those two scenarios is faster and simpler?

 

[Vaalingrade]

Speed is not the only component of efficiency.

 

[Helldritch]

Except, it isn't fact, as has already been pointed out.

Authoritarianism may have faster decisions making - but fast decision making doesn't equal efficiency. Quickly coming to a bad decisions can be very wasteful and inefficient, overall.

Just as democraticaly take a decade to take a bad decision makes it inefficient.
It is easy to see the flaws of one system vs another. Seeing only the qualities of one and the failings of the other.
As in everything, the truth is always in shades of grey. (No, not the 50s...)
But though democracy is not best of systems, it is also far from the worst.
But in games, a healthy mix of authoritarianism and democracy is required.