The Whole I'll HAve to Rebuy My Stuff! Argument...

[ProtoClone]

Sure... But they come out with new cars every year as well... Doesn't mean my car a 2005 model stops working. (well sometimes it does, but thats not related to the new models!)

You're not rebuying books. You're buying new ones for another game system. Presumably because you like the new system.




Great... So they've started playing a new system, just like playing another game.

True, you don't need to buy the new model car when they come out, but you also don't need to buy the new model in order to cruise with the new cars.

You also don't need a stuffed pig to roll around in the mud like rabbit in the month of june, but it helps. XD Sorry, felt like the right thing to say.

 

[Dykstrav]

I think the whole "rebuying stuff" point of view boils down to a perception of value. I remember being pretty disappointed in the first four Complete books, because they mostly reprinted the same prestige classes and feats found in the Builder series. Sure, they introduced some new base classes, but getting updated 3.0 classes for 3.5 really seems like something for a series of articles in Dragon, not a new hardcover sourcebook.

That being said, I can totally understand someone not wanting to "re-buy" material that they don't consider substantially different from what they already have. Ever go buy a cool movie on DVD only to see an awesome extended cut with special features in the store a week later? That's sort of the feeling I got with the Complete books for 3.5. I'm not saying that I'll never play 4E or that it's an evil corporate scheme or anything like that, but it's a point of view that I can understand.

 

[Scribble]

True, you don't need to buy the new model car when they come out, but you also don't need to buy the new model in order to cruise with the new cars.

Depends on who you ask I guess... I mean if you're way into cars the same thing probably applies... You want the latest and the greatest.

Thats all I'm really arguing when you get down to it...

Your 3.5 stuff still works (as advertised) however, your addiction to the latest and the newest, causes you to wish to purchase more stuff...

Don't be mad at Wizards for selling stuff you want. Be mad at them for ending support of 3.5, but not for forcing you to do anything. They aren't.

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

I wonder if it would be helpful to point out that there's a difference between being upset that you need to purchase the same material again, and being upset at WotC that you need to purchase the same material again.

You can have a gripe without blaming anyone for it. It can simply be a crappy situation, and not really under anyone's control.

Also, I do agree that it is not correct to say that you're not forced to buy the new books. Sure, you can continue to play 3.5, so long as you can find other people still interested in playing 3.5. They don't grow on trees. Unlike your NES, D&D is not a game that you can play by yourself.

 

[Scribble]

I wonder if it would be helpful to point out that there's a difference between being upset that you need to purchase the same material again, and being upset at WotC that you need to purchase the same material again.

You can have a gripe without blaming anyone for it. It can simply be a crappy situation, and not really under anyone's control.

Also, I do agree that it is not correct to say that you're not forced to buy the new books. Sure, you can continue to play 3.5, so long as you can find other people still interested in playing 3.5. They don't grow on trees. Unlike your NES, D&D is not a game that you can play by yourself.

True, but again... same is tru about if you can only find GURPs players... One doesn't make the other stop functioning...

It's not the same material.. It's new stuff, just similar to stuff you bought for another system... Maybe the correct thing would be to be annoyed at boring done before design...

 

[Pale]

If all the fluff is different, then I'm not re-buying anything. If I get 4E Forgotten Realms and 250 out of 300 pages is fluff, guess what? I just re-bought a storyline I already have... twice (2E box set).

 

[Psion]

So what??? I bought a book for GURPS that was all about robots... I also bought d20 future and its book on robot stuff...

Neither one invalidates the other. The two are still usable for the game they support.

But the question remains: why have both? Does each individually, or attached to their parent game, provide you something that the other does not?

If not, I would suggest that you are an unwise game consumer.

When Wizards stopped supporting 3.0 and moved to 3.5 I was pissed because they stopped supporting the game I was enjoying. Not because I had to rebuy anything.

So different things raise your ire than other people. (shrug)

I'm personally less annoyed about rebuying stuff than I am not having the same resources supported. Not everything gets reprinted, in the same format if at all.

I would so, without complaint, rebuy a Planescape line if they were to put it out for 3.5 or 4.0 and do it justice.

 

[Scribble]

But the question remains: why have both? Does each individually, or attached to their parent game, provide you something that the other does not?

If not, I would suggest that you are an unwise game consumer.

I'd agree with you... I buy both because I enjoy both games... I won't complain that Steve Jackson is making me buy a book of spells when Wizards already did...

So different things raise your ire than other people. (shrug)

I'm personally less annoyed about rebuying stuff than I am not having the same resources supported. Not everything gets reprinted, in the same format if at all.

I would so, without complaint, rebuy a Planescape line if they were to put it out for 3.5 or 4.0 and do it justice.

See I guess my issue is with the word rebuy... You aren't rebuying something. You're buying a new format of a similar concept.

I just don't see what the difference is between buying the same concept for two game systems from separate companies, and two from the same.

 

[Pale]

It's been explained several times, Scribble. People are obviously using the term in a non-literal sense to explain their feelings on the subject.

Stop bein' such a Pratchettorian Dwarf about it.

 

[Arashi Ravenblade]

What if I want to play an Incarnum character? I cant. 3.5e isnt compatablie with 4e. I have to rebuy my stuff. See. If it doesnt work together I cant use it, which means when they make the 4e verison I have to buy it, and years after I wanted to originally play the character.