D&D 4E The WotC designers will be bashing 4e once 5e is announced . . .

[Raven Crowking]

While I agree that the post by Morrus you linked to easily reads as "no 4e in the works says WotC", I hardly call it a recent refutation, just prior to the release announcement.

It is more than enough of a deception for me to feel that WotC was feeding up books.....3.5 Rules Compendium!......that it had no intention of continuing to support, while knowing that it had no intention of continuing to support them.

But mad props to you for finding that quote!

Thank you. This whole thing cheeses me off to no end, in a way that the initially announced year's notice, no deception, and a petering off of soon-to-be-obsolete books would not have.

RC

 

[morbiczer]

This is thier old "countodwn to 4th edition" announcement, originally slated for 2011. I copied the text and posted it below:

"Following on the heels of its successful, yearlong "Countdown to Third Edition" promotion for the new version of its Dungeons & Dragons game, Wizards of the Coast announced today that it would begin the "Countdown to Fourth Edition," which is due out April 1, 2011. A Wizards spokesperson, citing continuing strong sales of third edition D&D, said the company decided that "ten times the countdown," should result in "ten times higher" sales of Fourth Edition. Though initially reticent on the issue, former D&D Brand Manager Bryan Rancey admitted (after we poured salt on his wounds) that the Fourth Edition countdown was beginning. "Yeah. Sure. Whatever," said Rancey. "Let me go." Sources say that the new edition will use the revolutionary d30 system, but this is, as yet, unconfirmed."

You do know that this was an April Fool's joke?

 

[Mkhaiwati]

Quote:
Originally Posted by gothmaugCC
This is thier old "countodwn to 4th edition" announcement, originally slated for 2011. I copied the text and posted it below:

"Following on the heels of its successful, yearlong "Countdown to Third Edition" promotion for the new version of its Dungeons & Dragons game, Wizards of the Coast announced today that it would begin the "Countdown to Fourth Edition," which is due out April 1, 2011. A Wizards spokesperson, citing continuing strong sales of third edition D&D, said the company decided that "ten times the countdown," should result in "ten times higher" sales of Fourth Edition. Though initially reticent on the issue, former D&D Brand Manager Bryan Rancey admitted (after we poured salt on his wounds) that the Fourth Edition countdown was beginning. "Yeah. Sure. Whatever," said Rancey. "Let me go." Sources say that the new edition will use the revolutionary d30 system, but this is, as yet, unconfirmed."



You do know that this was an April Fool's joke?

Is it a bad sign that the actual release is earlier than the joke release?

 

[gothmaugCC]

You do know that this was an April Fool's joke?

Yeah, But you wouldnt believe how many people i ran into that year at Conventions that would swear by their mothers that 4.0 was in the works and scheduled for release in 2011. So I always figured the april's fool joke was the source of the 2011 rumor that ive heard for years now.

Gothmaug

 

[WayneLigon]

Seriously, for years now (literally) we've been giving 3.5 a group hug. And now suddenly out comes this long list of things that "don't work".

There's no 'doublethink' involved. As time goes on, you have new and better ideas on how to do things. Once you have those ideas, the old way of doing things holds no appeal. This is the way we progress and move forward. Nothing remains static; there is always a better way of doing anything. It may just take you time to discover it. Or, maybe you did something on way but were never quite happy with it.

Lightbulb: we've known for some time now that there were things in 3/3.5 that don't work as well as they could, or don't work well, period. Skill points for many of the classes. AoO's. Grappling. A number of spells. Buffing. Now, 3E has been the mainstay of my gaming for 7 years now. I've played little else in that time. But I know there are ways it could be better and I'm glad that now we don't have to wait a stupid amount of time before a new revision.

 

[Shortman McLeod]

It's actually calmed down a lot these days.

You mean there are still people on r.g.f.d???

Where the heck are these people, Siberia? I mean, who still uses Usenet???

 

[MerricB]

You mean there are still people on r.g.f.d???

Where the heck are these people, Siberia? I mean, who still uses Usenet???

People who access it through Google, I guess. It's just like any other message board now.

Cheers!

 

[Shortman McLeod]

There's no 'doublethink' involved. As time goes on, you have new and better ideas on how to do things. Once you have those ideas, the old way of doing things holds no appeal. This is the way we progress and move forward. Nothing remains static; there is always a better way of doing anything. It may just take you time to discover it. Or, maybe you did something on way but were never quite happy with it.

It is pretty hard to demonstrate objectively that a new edition of an RPG is automatically "better" than its predecessor, in spite of all the "progress is good; evolution is inevitable" rhetoric.

4e will be different, and perhaps better, but it is equally possible it will be merely different. But honestly, the whole "change is good; progress is inevitable" stuff gets tiresome. These are tabletop RPGs, not gasoline/electric hybrid engines.

 

[Nifft]

3.5e was really good. It had issues. We discuss them regularly, and propose fixes (as well as address deficiencies which aren't outright bugs).

4e will hopefully address these problems.
5e, if there is such a beast, will hopefully address the problems we all discover in 4e over time.

What's wrong with progress?

Cheers, -- N

 

[Shortman McLeod]

What's wrong with progress?

Cheers, -- N

If I may quote myself:

"This whole 'change is good, progress is inevitable' stuff gets tiresome."