D&D (2024) Thief Rogue / True Strike

ad_hoc

(she/her)
There is no specific action assigned to either one. In both cases the PC is casting a spell while using a magic item. One adds a bonus, one prepays the cost of the spell.
Maybe if the wand had limited charges that would make it qualify under this interpretation?
 

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Oofta

Legend
Supporter
Scrolls can allow the player to cast spells they do not know, it is not just a buff

The wand of the war mage is the buff. The spell scroll requires that the spell is on your class list. Having a spell in your spell book, having it prepared, the spell slot and material component it would normally require, are all costs of normally casting a spell that the scroll negates. You are still casting a spell.
 

The wand of the war mage is the buff. The spell scroll requires that the spell is on your class list. Having a spell in your spell book, having it prepared, the spell slot and material component it would normally require, are all costs of normally casting a spell that the scroll negates. You are still casting a spell.
What is the mechanical difference between a spell scroll and wand of magic missiles in your interpretation?
 

Oofta

Legend
Supporter
Maybe if the wand had limited charges that would make it qualify under this interpretation?
There is a difference between things like Necklace of Fireballs and scrolls. We don't know what the DMG will say about things like a Wand of Fireballs will say so I haven't made any decisions on that.

Right now it's a bit weird in the 2014 DMG because anyone can use a Wand of Magic Missiles for example, there's no restriction on being able to cast the spell normally. A wand of Fireballs just requires attunement by a spellcaster, so anyone that can cast any spell can attune use it.

We'll see. For the moment I haven't made any decision.
 


ad_hoc

(she/her)
There is a difference between things like Necklace of Fireballs and scrolls. We don't know what the DMG will say about things like a Wand of Fireballs will say so I haven't made any decisions on that.

Right now it's a bit weird in the 2014 DMG because anyone can use a Wand of Magic Missiles for example, there's no restriction on being able to cast the spell normally. A wand of Fireballs just requires attunement by a spellcaster, so anyone that can cast any spell can attune use it.

We'll see. For the moment I haven't made any decision.

Necklace of Fireballs (or Beads of Force etc.) are good examples of taking the magic action to throw an object and then it causes a spell to.happen.

Which is entirely different than casting a spell and involving a magic item.
 

ad_hoc

(she/her)
You are reading a spell off of a scroll in order to cast it. We'll know in a few weeks what the 2024 DMG will say about wands.

I think the difference will be that some items will help you to cast a spell and others will instruct you to do something with the item which then causes the spell (or spell-like effect) to occur.

One thing to note is that the explanations for things and advice has been stripped from the PHB.

There is actually very little guidance on a lot of things. Some people are even interpreting skills as only being able to do the few examples given for each one for example.

I imagine we will be getting advice on adjudicating the rules in the DMG.
 

Oofta

Legend
Supporter
I think the difference will be that some items will help you to cast a spell and others will instruct you to do something with the item which then causes the spell (or spell-like effect) to occur.

One thing to note is that the explanations for things and advice has been stripped from the PHB.

There is actually very little guidance on a lot of things. Some people are even interpreting skills as only being able to do the few examples given for each one for example.

I imagine we will be getting advice on adjudicating the rules in the DMG.

Yeah, one of the few examples for skills is using strength for intimidation. For better or worse optional rules seem to be wholly in the DMG. I understand why they did it, we'll know more fairly soon.
 

ad_hoc

(she/her)
Yeah, one of the few examples for skills is using strength for intimidation. For better or worse optional rules seem to be wholly in the DMG. I understand why they did it, we'll know more fairly soon.

I was surprised that one was in there considering what was left out.

I also dislike it. Strength isn't intimidating. There is a scene in Looper where the protagonist is threatened with a gun but he isn't scared. He explains that he recognizes the gun would hurt him he just doesn't believe the gun owner will actually shoot him.

You need a threat but more importantly you need to sell that you will carry through with it.
 

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