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Schmoe said:
It's really pretty simple. Any 10th level Arcane Archer who can fly and has a +5 bow should be able to do >50 points of damage per round, easy. Just make sure he has a Ring of 3 wishes to finish the job.

Do I win? ;)

50 points of damage per round? You do remember that you don't get any extra attacks when you advance as a arcane archer. right?

If that damage per round would be true (I'm not convinced) he would simply leave when he would start to feel annoyed.
....... Nah wait. You wouldn't win. The tarrasque would simply start backkicking dirt (and big rocks) at you. A flyspell does not make you very maneuverable. My call :D
 

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Bonedagger said:
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A) Sneak attack only works when the opponent is flatfooted. Invisibility only forces the opponent to blindfight (No big deal for a tarrasque)... You will need to sneak upon it. What is a tarrasques listing check by the way?:)... Never mind. It will probably smell you.
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You know, if you're going to "tsk" at people it really pays to know the rules. Sneak attack only works when the opponent is flat-footed? I suggest you give page 47 and table 8-8 on page 132 in the PHB a good long look. And blind-fighting only happens to work in melee combat, so it in no way allows the Tarrasque to get around the invisibility issue... Even if it did, all it takes is a Blink spell to foil it.

What does make things somewhat difficult for our rogue is that the Tarrasque has scent and a 40 foot reach... Any non-custom magical items out there that render you odorless?
 

Bonedagger said:


Tsk tsk.

You seem like a typical powergamer.... You don't think the rules should apply to you:) (They do often seem to have some funny interpretations of them)

I don't know, he seems to understand the rules pretty well.

A) Sneak attack only works when the opponent is flatfooted.

Not true. It works whenever the opponent loses their Dex bonus to AC, or when they are flanked. Losing the Dex bonus to AC isn't the same thing as being flat-footed (although it is one of the normal effects of being flat-footed).

Invisibility only forces the opponent to blindfight (No big deal for a tarrasque)

Blind fight only works in melee combat. If you are flying 30' away, you are out of the tarrasque's 25' reach but within the 30' limit for sneak attacks.

... You will need to sneak upon it. What is a tarrasques listing check by the way?:)... Never mind. It will probably smell you.

It will know they are there, but it won't be able pinpoint them because they are more than 5' away.


The basic premise is sound, but this is the long, slow way to kill a tarrasque. And if the tarrasque does something nasty like jump or rear up (forcing you to back of or get pummeled), or if it moves under cover, it can gain a few rounds to heal, undoing all your damage. You could very well run out of arrows before it dies.
 
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Are you are talking about flanking something that knows where you are? A tarrasque can sense you. It is, unlike humans, not highly depended on sight.
 

Bonedagger said:


50 points of damage per round? You do remember that you don't get any extra attacks when you advance as a arcane archer. right?

Why wouldn't you? An Arcane Archer get's +1 BAB a level just like a fighter does. Every +6 BAB you get a second attack. (+6/+1, then +11/+6/+1, then +16/+11/+6/+1)
 

Bonedagger said:
Are you are talking about flanking something that knows where you are? A tarrasque can sense you. It is, unlike humans, not highly depended on sight.

You might want to read up on the tarrasque before you make statements like that.

You can find it here:

http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd/srdmonsterst.html

The tarrasque does not have blindsight, and Scent only negates invisibility when it is within 5' of the invisible character.

The tarrasque will lose it's Dex bonus versus your attacks if you are invisible and more than 5' away from it.
 

What about a 20th level cleric with similar items that allow him to become invisible, and ethereal. Then he uses a ghost-touch gauntlet to make a touch attack against the Tarrasque to cast Harm. Then on his next turn, with some manner of haste item, he can use his normal action to cast, say, a metamagicked cold-element flamestrike (with greater spell penetration, empowered, maximized). If he can manage to beat the spell resistance (not that hard), he'll have a haste action to miracle it to death.

And of course have prepared several silent, stilled words of recall so in case you're swallowed or something, you can still escape.
 

Oh, and there's gotta be some manner of munchkin item that will let you sneak attack from farther away. I think Mongoose has a sniper crossbow that lets you do that in the Quintessential Rogue. Plus, with a haste item of some sort, plus that one level of sorcerer, my first proposed character could true strike every round.

And I could've done thundering just as easily as flaming. My mistake.
 

Bonedagger said:
Are you are talking about flanking something that knows where you are? A tarrasque can sense you. It is, unlike humans, not highly depended on sight.

The range on Scent is 30', or 15' when downwind and 60' when upwind. I think that any 20th level character can arrange to be downwind from Mr. T.
 

mmu1 said:


You know, if you're going to "tsk" at people it really pays to know the rules. Sneak attack only works when the opponent is flat-footed? I suggest you give page 47 and table 8-8 on page 132 in the PHB a good long look. And blind-fighting only happens to work in melee combat, so it in no way allows the Tarrasque to get around the invisibility issue... Even if it did, all it takes is a Blink spell to foil it.

What does make things somewhat difficult for our rogue is that the Tarrasque has scent and a 40 foot reach... Any non-custom magical items out there that render you odorless?

Good old PHB... Lets see. It's been long since I looked in that one..... Hmm... Oh! Basically when it is denied a dex bonus.... It's been to long... You where right. He can sneak attack. But hey. It also says he needs to be within 30 feet... Is that not dangously close? I think so... Tarrasque still wins:)

And hey. I'll "tsk" who ever I want to. A tsk to you for that.

Added: Sure. now he's also odorless. You can probably do anything with the right items... Do I need to take itno account that he has all of them? :(
 
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