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[Bonedagger]

Why wouldn't you?

Because it says so?

 

[RogueJK]

50 points of damage per round? You do remember that you don't get any extra attacks when you advance as a arcane archer. right?

I, too, am confused as to where you got this idea. Have you been using this rule in your game?

No BAB advancement for Prestige Classes? That would completely negate their usefulness.

 

[RogueJK]

Because it says so?

Care to show us just where it says so?

 

[Bonedagger]

I, too, am confused as to where you got this idea. Have you been using this rule in your game?

No BAB advancement for Prestige Classes? That would completely negate their usefulness.

They get advancement in attack bonus... Just not any extra attacks. Instead they get a lot of cool powers.

 

[Bonedagger]

Care to show us just where it says so?

P. 28 DMG. Try and compare it to the fighters advancement on P. 36 PHB.

 

[Caliban]

Build a 20th lvl character with any items you want (no artifacts and only one wish). Under core rules and see if he can kill a tarrasque by himself.

If you want the powergamer way of doing this here you go. I won't even use any items:

20th level wizard with Wish and Dominate Monster, Discern Location, and Teleport Circle, and the feat Spell Penetration. .

Locate and trap 40 stirges. (Hire a low level adventuring party. ) Spend 10 days or so casting dominate monster on all of them, then keep them in a 5' diameter cage.

Use discern location to locate the tarrasque. Since it's a unique creature it should be easy.

Cast teleport circle to teleport all the stirges to the tarrasques' location.

The tarrasque has combat reflexes, so it will probably get 4 attacks of opportunity, and kill 4 stirges.

The remaining 36 stirges attack it. The tarrasque has a touch AC of 5, and the stirges have a +6 touch attack, so they only fail on a 1. At least 30 stirges are going to hit (probably more, but let's be generous).

Touch attacks ignore damage resistance (DMG, page 74, 2nd bullet point, second sentence), so the stirges will be able to attach themselves if they hit.

On the tarrasque's next action it can kill 5 stirges (assuming you let it use it's horn attack on itself somehow). This leaves 25 stirges attached, and on their action they will drain 25d4 points of Constitution, or about 50 - 60 points of Con on average. If they somehow do minimum Con damage (25 points), next round there should be at least 10-20 stirges still attached, which will finish him off. (Some will leave because they have drained 4 points of Con, others will be killed by the tarrasque.)

Once the tarrasque's Con reaches 0, it's dead, and then you leisurely stroll through the teleport circle and wish it dead.

If having a 0 Con doesn't count as being at -30, hit with shocking grasp a few times. With the spell penetration feat, at 20th level you will have a +22 on the caster level check, so you penetrate his spell resistance on a 10 or better. (If I could use the Archmage prestige class out of the Forgotten Realms setting, I could get a +30 on caster level checks...)

 

[Schmoe]

They get advancement in attack bonus... Just not any extra attacks. Instead they get a lot of cool powers.

You are confused. The number of attacks that a character gets is derived from his Base Attack Bonus. There is no other requirement. A fighter's Base Attack Bonus could have been written: +1; +2; +3; +4; +5; +6; +7; +8; +9; etc; and he would still get extra attacks.

You should re-read the Multi-class section on page 55 of the PHB.
Particularly the section on "Base Attack Bonus."

 

[RogueJK]

They get advancement in attack bonus... Just not any extra attacks. Instead they get a lot of cool powers.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Any Base Attack Bonus adds to your additional attacks. Say that you have +6 BAB from a class and +5 BAB from a PrC. Those BAB stack to give you a grand total of +11 BAB, which breaks down into attacks of +11/+6/+1.

You take your TOTAL BAB, no matter what the source, when determining your number of attacks and what bonus they are at.

 

[Privateer]

Boney, it was also my impression that prestige classes increased Base Attack Bonuses, not attack bonuses, as you seem to think. I think there aren't extra attacks listed in the PrCs to prevent confusion about extra attacks. Mayhaps you should read up on the rules on BAB.

I am tempted to "tsk." Should I or shouldn't I?

Edit: Rogue said the whole thing better than me. I feel left out

 

[Bonedagger]

You are confused. The number of attacks that a character gets is derived from his Base Attack Bonus. There is no other requirement. A fighter's Base Attack Bonus could have been written: +1; +2; +3; +4; +5; +6; +7; +8; +9; etc; and he would still get extra attacks.

You should re-read the Multi-class section on page 55 of the PHB.
Particularly the section on "Base Attack Bonus."

I'm not confused.. Thankyou I just haven't read all the rules yet (Only bought the books a few months ago). I still haven't used 3E and I don't claim to know all the rules. That's why I look at these boards now and then. There is often long between the times I read the rulebooks so this board is a better way to learn the rules..

Tsk and the like are IMNSHO ok in this thread. It's about munchkiness

BTW I will claim that if my tsk hurts someones feelings I will still not have done anything wrong.