This legal by RAW?

Easy answer - he's making it all up as he goes along.

Ask to see his source material. Better still, get the DM to ask.

Then bust his character back down to Private.
 

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Dross said:
Could you tell me how he summons the fiendish apes (summon III) given that the caster can supposedly cast only summon II spell? And the aspect of Bahumat?

Cameron, neither of the spells you mention are called Phastial Killer. Aleolus can you confirm what the spell DungeonMaester is talking about? That may clear up a couple of things.

Also, since the DM Aleolus said that both the owl and the psuedo dragon familiar are roleplay gains, but the OP apparently didn't know that, it is likely that these were not gained at the same table as the other players. (Aleolus, can you confirm/deny this assumption of mine). If someone came to the table with all manner of flashy things that apparently break the rules, i'd like to know how it was done (even if only so I could do it).

The person in Q may simply know their way around the rules, spells etc, but given the apparent history, would you want to make sure? Especially since he apparently overpowers the other players enough to warrant coming here.

Also, remember that the OP came here to make sure that he was not off base with his suspicions. That could mean that DungeonMaester a) wanted to make sure of the rules, to try and minimise any angst in the group for a simple mis-understanding, or b) gain backing to turf the guy out.

But i'm not going to assume motives and just answer the Q's as asked.

As Hue confirmed, they where gained from another D&D game, but although I am not the Dm of this game Hue, my DM sense is tingling from so called role play rewards that bypass the rules by such a long shot. As I have said before, I would not allow roleplaying to get around something so close to a class ability or a feat (which the owl is crossing both) Or allow something the bypass of the psudeo-Dragon which is for characters two levels ahead of where we are. The last session should give you a idea of how far past gone the character is, since he (with very little from any of the other party memebers) killed a cr 15(?) Dragon doing 100+ points a round. Even the spell I casted which dealt more damage vrs undead only dealt 66 points.

I have no problem with roleplaying (being the most hardcore rper in the group) but when it effects that game so much where we gain 5 levels in one sessions, then we have a problem.

---Rusty
 

Dross said:
Could you tell me how he summons the fiendish apes (summon III) given that the caster can supposedly cast only summon II spell? And the aspect of Bahumat?

Cameron, neither of the spells you mention are called Phastial Killer. Aleolus can you confirm what the spell DungeonMaester is talking about? That may clear up a couple of things.

Also, since the DM Aleolus said that both the owl and the psuedo dragon familiar are roleplay gains, but the OP apparently didn't know that, it is likely that these were not gained at the same table as the other players. (Aleolus, can you confirm/deny this assumption of mine). If someone came to the table with all manner of flashy things that apparently break the rules, i'd like to know how it was done (even if only so I could do it).

The person in Q may simply know their way around the rules, spells etc, but given the apparent history, would you want to make sure? Especially since he apparently overpowers the other players enough to warrant coming here.

Also, remember that the OP came here to make sure that he was not off base with his suspicions. That could mean that DungeonMaester a) wanted to make sure of the rules, to try and minimise any angst in the group for a simple mis-understanding, or b) gain backing to turf the guy out.

But i'm not going to assume motives and just answer the Q's as asked.
From the top of your quote down:

The OP only claimed fiendish apes after he was told that he was wrong. It could be baboons for all we know. Mountains and molehills, you know, to bolster his claim. After his initial attacks (break games, etc., etc.) I am suspicious of anything he claims.

The OP calls it Aspect of Bahamut and "Phastial Killer". His DM, who posted here, did not. It could be a known spell under a different name. I know I allow things like Energy Daggers instead of Magic Missile, and, oh, I don't know, Kord's xxxx Fist instead of Bigby's xxxx Hand. Given that Phantasmal Killer (which is probably what the OP meant) does not do ability damage, I am of the opinion that he made it up or deliberately "misconstrued" it. Seriously, if the OP does not even know the spells in the PHB (especially the effects of something with the name Phantasmal *Killer*) after a year of playing, he is either seriously deficient in the IQ department, or he is making things up, and I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and not assume he is deficient. That is like saying he thinks Power Word Kill makes you lose Strength!

The thing is, he didn't ask the guy. He came here with suspicions, start throwing accusations and then got told he is being a fool. He did this behind the player's back and his DM has to come here to defend the player and his decisions. Sure, the DM might have erred in giving the player so much stuff, but that is up to the DM, not the OP. Note that he did *not* want to know how the guy did it. If he did, he would have talked to or asked the DM or the guy instead of throwing accusations. From his initial and subsequent posts it seemed that he did not ask, but instead went straight to the accusations, and the DM was (rightly) simply not entertaining him.

The operative word is *apparent* history. We only have what the OP has written, and IME, people that come here throwing accusations like he did are simply affected by the green-eyed devil.

The rest is not relevant. The guy's power factor is something the DM is comfortable with. The other players can match the guy or not, that is their choice. They do not have the right to whine and whinge if it is their choice to play weak.
 

...You're the first person I've ever seen who has the courage to talk about Rusty like that, even online. Thank you. I will agree, I probably did give this guy too much starting stuff, but I think I know how to balance it out. The party just, as of the last game session, defeated a Young Adult and an Adult Green Dragon, so the group can just head to it's lair to pick some stuff up. Including the fighter getting something I brought in in my last campaign, and am trying to bring in gradually again. Twelve ancient Relics that I wrote up, each with it's own unique powers. I can bring one in for the fighter, and other useful stuff for the others, and that should balance it out some.
 

Aleolus said:
The party just, as of the last game session, defeated a Young Adult and an Adult Green Dragon, so the group can just head to it's lair to pick some stuff up. ... Twelve ancient Relics that I wrote up, each with it's own unique powers.

You're 5th level party can defeat CR 13 encounters and has twelve artifacts? If the character that Rusty described tried to play in one of my games, I would have called shenanigans in 5 seconds, but in the context of the other things the party is doing, I'm wondering if he's actually underpowered.
 

Aleolus said:
...You're the first person I've ever seen who has the courage to talk about Rusty like that, even online. Thank you. I will agree, I probably did give this guy too much starting stuff, but I think I know how to balance it out. The party just, as of the last game session, defeated a Young Adult and an Adult Green Dragon, so the group can just head to it's lair to pick some stuff up. Including the fighter getting something I brought in in my last campaign, and am trying to bring in gradually again. Twelve ancient Relics that I wrote up, each with it's own unique powers. I can bring one in for the fighter, and other useful stuff for the others, and that should balance it out some.

Smooth move Ex-lax. Cam (sorry if you don't like the abbv. version of your name) was counter Dross's post.

Deset Gled said:
You're 5th level party can defeat CR 13 encounters and has twelve artifacts? If the character that Rusty described tried to play in one of my games, I would have called shenanigans in 5 seconds, but in the context of the other things the party is doing, I'm wondering if he's actually underpowered.

If I was Dm, I would called in the enite clan of Skylords to rain arrow death. That iis just me though.

It isn't that my character is under powered. I can keep up with the party inu clone, the drow fighter, and even the Swordsage. It is that the one character is sucking up the fun by being over powered and with his choice of summoning, possibly powergaming by breaking the rules.

---Rusty
 

Double post..

Deafeating the dragon and going up 5 level was in the FIRST SESSION. Orginonaly, I justed wanted to quite that game, but the other players (Dan, Steve, Dave, and William) wanted me to stay.

---Rusty
 

DungeonMaester said:
Smooth move Ex-lax. Cam (sorry if you don't like the abbv. version of your name) was counter Dross's post.



If I was Dm, I would called in the enite clan of Skylords to rain arrow death. That iis just me though.

It isn't that my character is under powered. I can keep up with the party inu clone, the drow fighter, and even the Swordsage. It is that the one character is sucking up the fun by being over powered and with his choice of summoning, possibly powergaming by breaking the rules.

---Rusty
From the top down:
He said "about" you, not in reply to you, so he was correct. Nothing wrong with it.

If you were the DM, I'd leave. DMs that don't know at least 50% of spell effects that are in the PHB is a waste of time to game with. There is only so many "wait a sec, let me look up this spell" that I can take before calling it quits. And as I have said, I'd question the intelligence of anyone that think a spell with the word "Killer" in it does not have an instant death effect. I'd really not want to play in a game where the DM is on that level of sentience.

You can keep up with the party that is trundling along at a level that the DM is not comfortable with. Heck, how are we to know if the rest of the party is holding back just to humour you, and this chap refused to play ball? After all, in your next post, you claim the others were begging you to stay. How do we know you are not using that as a Sword of Democles over them and demanding that the follow you or else?

The thing is, we have no other version of events here except for the DM's and he is clearly not agreeing with your analysis. So, who are we to believe?

Well, for what it is worth (probably not a lot), I would prefer to believe the person that did *not* come here slinging mud. That would be your DM, by the way, just to make it clear.
 

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