This legal by RAW?

[Primitive Screwhead]

...You're the first person I've ever seen who has the courage to talk about Rusty like that, even online. Thank you.

Actually talking to anyone like that, even online, is IMHO quite rude and leads to all sorts of moderator enforced thread endings.

I can imagine a player wanting to come to a group of folks who know something about the rule before approaching a DM or co-player about a perceived miscalculation in a character. Altho Rusty is missing some key details, the first half of this thread was focused on answering the questions he raised to the best of the communities ability.

No, we don't know the rest of the story.. and we don't know the group dynamics. I figure to stay out of discussion of group dynamics simply because of that.

I will agree, I probably did give this guy too much starting stuff, but I think I know how to balance it out. The party just, as of the last game session, defeated a Young Adult and an Adult Green Dragon, so the group can just head to it's lair to pick some stuff up. Including the fighter getting something I brought in in my last campaign, and am trying to bring in gradually again. Twelve ancient Relics that I wrote up, each with it's own unique powers. I can bring one in for the fighter, and other useful stuff for the others, and that should balance it out some.

First off.. I don't think anyone has welcomed you to the boards...

Second, it looks like your playing style meshes well with the Silver Scale Goblin.. but not so much with Rusty's.... or mine.

I bet its simply a matter of mis-matched expectations. I would never expect a 5th level anything, let alone a spellcaster, to be dishing out 100's of hit point damage to a Dragon. Something about that SR of 21... and Frightful Presence DC 23

But, your game may, and obviously does, vary. IMC a group of 5th level characters would be slaughtered outright by a Young Adult Green... which is why my players know to run away

I suggest that either the group adjusts thier expectations of the game, or that Rusty finds another place that is more appropriate to what he expects.

 

[Piratecat]

Okay, folks. Heads up. The next person to level a personal insult, explicit or implied, gets a free vacation from the site. You're welcome to discuss peoples' ideas, but making rude and snarky comments about them is absolutely out of bounds. If you need to, please reread The Rules at the top of every forum for a reminder of what's appropriate here.

Please email me if you wish to discuss this.

 

[Cameron]

Nevermind. Mod sneaked in with something, so I'll keep quiet.

 

[Aleolus]

You're 5th level party can defeat CR 13 encounters and has twelve artifacts? If the character that Rusty described tried to play in one of my games, I would have called shenanigans in 5 seconds, but in the context of the other things the party is doing, I'm wondering if he's actually underpowered.

Well, we got it down to about 60hp, two characters were down to negative hp, and I decided it was going to try to get away because this was too much tougher than expected. That provoked an AoO from everyone within range of it, and I just said everyone critted, killing it.

 

[DungeonMaester]

From the top down:
He said "about" you, not in reply to you, so he was correct. Nothing wrong with it.

If you were the DM, I'd leave. DMs that don't know at least 50% of spell effects that are in the PHB is a waste of time to game with. There is only so many "wait a sec, let me look up this spell" that I can take before calling it quits. And as I have said, I'd question the intelligence of anyone that think a spell with the word "Killer" in it does not have an instant death effect. I'd really not want to play in a game where the DM is on that level of sentience.

You can keep up with the party that is trundling along at a level that the DM is not comfortable with. Heck, how are we to know if the rest of the party is holding back just to humour you, and this chap refused to play ball? After all, in your next post, you claim the others were begging you to stay. How do we know you are not using that as a Sword of Democles over them and demanding that the follow you or else?

The thing is, we have no other version of events here except for the DM's and he is clearly not agreeing with your analysis. So, who are we to believe?

Well, for what it is worth (probably not a lot), I would prefer to believe the person that did *not* come here slinging mud. That would be your DM, by the way, just to make it clear.

this post is not really more then assumptions that are closer to flaming then anything else. the only standment that is enduring is 'The thing is, we have no other version of events here except for the DM's and he is clearly not agreeing with your analysis. So, who are we to believe?' in which he really just filled in the blanks of parts I have missed. Hue did explain that the owl and dragon where Dm fiants, but the Dragon summoning and the 6 apes where still a mystery. This is different then the picture you paint of the Dm coming here contradicting everything I said.

---Rusty

 

[Aleolus]

And I told you we would both speak with him on Weds about where he got those abilities from. With the books he references on hand. I will make sure the other player with DM books brings all of his so we can look them up. I plan on using your knowledge of the rules, combined with the books to verify, to see what all is going on. All I expect of you is to acknowledge that, as DM, my descision is final, which is something, from my perspective, you have had difficulty with in the past. I will take anything you say into consideration, but I will take everything each of you say with a grain of salt. I will do my best to be fair and objective, to the satisfaction of all involved party members. I can offer no more.

 

[DungeonMaester]

I didn't argue all sessonion long did I? Although I did protest people taken to long on there turns in combat. Had I know my character was waltzing to her death, I would of not have been in such a hurry.

---Rusty

 

[Aleolus]

...Actually, I just talked to him on the phone, and according to him, these are all misunderstandings on either our part or his. The Fiendish Apes? He seemed to think that because of his high Int, he knew one extra fourth level spell. ...Which makes me wonder who the hell his last DM was, because that isn't even close to right. The Aspect of Bahamut? That was a misunderstanding on my part. He wasn't casting the spell, he was praying to Bahamut for help.

 

[DungeonMaester]

...Actually, I just talked to him on the phone, and according to him, these are all misunderstandings on either our part or his. The Fiendish Apes? He seemed to think that because of his high Int, he knew one extra fourth level spell. ...Which makes me wonder who the hell his last DM was, because that isn't even close to right. The Aspect of Bahamut? That was a misunderstanding on my part. He wasn't casting the spell, he was praying to Bahamut for help.

Ah, ok.

From the stories he has told before I knew there was some major rule breaking (Or ignorance therefor of) going on but having a shady backround brings out the worse of me. If lack of understanding is the case, then I can sit to ether side of David and him to help them with any rules questions that come up.

---Rusty

 

[Darklone]

...Actually, I just talked to him on the phone, and according to him, these are all misunderstandings on either our part or his. The Fiendish Apes? He seemed to think that because of his high Int, he knew one extra fourth level spell. ...Which makes me wonder who the hell his last DM was, because that isn't even close to right. The Aspect of Bahamut? That was a misunderstanding on my part. He wasn't casting the spell, he was praying to Bahamut for help.

As mentioned above (even if I may have sound snarky) he's not the first apparently rules-knowledgeable player who did this or a similar mistake.

Talking helps, glad you did it.

Have fun gaming.