This Man Is Reading Way Too Much Into X2. "It's all about homosexuality."

[Hand of Vecna]

Chris Clairmont himself has said that the X-Men are supposed to be metaphor for homosexuality, that when you're reading about the X-Men, you're reading about gay people.

Clairmont is sometimes considered to be a nut...

 

[jdavis]

Chris Clairmont is not the only writer the X men titles have ever had, his stories might of been but were the stories of every x men writer ever? Besides didn't they fire him?

 

[stevelabny]

ok, first CHRIS CLAREMONT is THE x-men writer.
stan lee wrote the early issues
len wein wrote giant size x-men #1 which re-introduced the team after years of repeats in the regular monthly titles
len wein plotted 94 and 95 with claremont writing
and then then claremont was fully in control from 96 in 1976 until the mid-90s. 17 years he wrote this book.
he IS the writer who turned this book into THE best-selling comic. to say any different is to be.... WRONG.

yes, his style is overly wordy.
yes, he tended to leave certain plots lying around too long.
and yes, like many other comic writers oh his time he has long since "lost his touch" but he had 17 year run. came back for a few months, left again. and is last i checked, STILL the writer of the latest x-spinoff X-TREME X-MEN. ( i doubt he picked the title)

to say that he doesn't have a good grasp on the main concept, themes and plots of the x-men and their history is WRONG. he IS their history.

the x-men's troubles are symbolic of any and all prejudice in the world. for ANY minority. this includes homosexuals. for those who "still" didnt get it, the legacy virus storyline was one of the most thinly disguised aids stories ever printed.

we lost some good mutants (and humans) to the legacy virus and i'd hate to take something from their passing by not accepting what their deaths were symbolic of. a moment of silence for Colossus, Magik, Pyro, Mastermind, Moira McTaggart and the rest (characters so good that 2 1/2 of them made it into the movie)


It's like my earlier post said, YES this writer has gone a little overboard for reasons we can only guess, BUT to completely deny the relation between the two just makes people sound like theyre promoting their OWN agenda.

(and also remember not to cross contaminate movie and comic canon... xavier and magneto have kids in the comic, but we have NO idea whether they have kids in the movie)

and if you want to blame the reviewers gay-obsessed commentary on his extrapolations on someone involved with the film, i doubt it would be soley focused on ian mckellan, but more so on THE DIRECTOR bryan singer.

defending both sides of this arguement,
steve

 

[Celtavian]

Re

No Way!!! Colossus is dead? I can't believe they killed the steel giant. No frickin way.

 

[stevelabny]

actually..."they" didnt.
he did it to himself.

he basically injected himself with the cure for the legacy virus to insure that nobody else would die (like his sister and brother already had) killing himself in the process.

the noble sacrifice.

steve

 

[Villano]

ok, first CHRIS CLAREMONT is THE x-men writer.
stan lee wrote the early issues
len wein wrote giant size x-men #1 which re-introduced the team after years of repeats in the regular monthly titles
len wein plotted 94 and 95 with claremont writing
and then then claremont was fully in control from 96 in 1976 until the mid-90s. 17 years he wrote this book.
he IS the writer who turned this book into THE best-selling comic. to say any different is to be.... WRONG.

yes, his style is overly wordy.
yes, he tended to leave certain plots lying around too long.
and yes, like many other comic writers oh his time he has long since "lost his touch" but he had 17 year run. came back for a few months, left again. and is last i checked, STILL the writer of the latest x-spinoff X-TREME X-MEN. ( i doubt he picked the title)

to say that he doesn't have a good grasp on the main concept, themes and plots of the x-men and their history is WRONG. he IS their history.

the x-men's troubles are symbolic of any and all prejudice in the world. for ANY minority. this includes homosexuals. for those who "still" didnt get it, the legacy virus storyline was one of the most thinly disguised aids stories ever printed.

we lost some good mutants (and humans) to the legacy virus and i'd hate to take something from their passing by not accepting what their deaths were symbolic of. a moment of silence for Colossus, Magik, Pyro, Mastermind, Moira McTaggart and the rest (characters so good that 2 1/2 of them made it into the movie)

I agree with the assertion that Claremont was the X-Men writer (I stopped collecting a few issues after he was fired and the new team effectively flushed 17 yrs of continuity down the toilet), but I don't think he lost his touch at all during his run since the writing quality dropped so severely after his departure (IMO, at leat).

But I could have sworn the Legcy Virus didn't pop up until after his run. Does it date back before '93? And, if it did, I don't think he created it. If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it linked to Stryfe? That was a Rob Liefeld/X-Force character.

I'm not saying that it isn't an AIDS analogy, just wondering how closely it's linked with Claremont.

And while I knew about Colossus and Magik dying, I had no idea about Pyro, Mastermind, and Moira McTaggart. Speaking of which, wasn't McTaggart human? How did the disease affect her?

I never really liked the Legacy Virus storyline. In the comics I read in which it popped up, the rules of it seemed to nebulous. I was never sure how someone caught it. I also heard that Colossus' death wasn't handled very well. That it and the Legacy Virus' cure was done in a kind of "blow off" sort of way. Like it was a quick out to a storyline that no one wanted around anymore.

Personally, I think it could have been good if handled in a side issue sort of way. Sort of like AIDS, actually. Making it a naturally occurring disease that had no cure, and to which mutants were more susceptible. That way, those that died of it would have more meaning.

 

[Villano]

Yup. Pretty obvious the man has some unresolved issues he needs to address before he'll be able to take something, anything, at face value and objectively.

Writers like this are the reason I refuse to buy Midnight Marquee magazine (for those that have never heard of it, MM focuses on older horror films).

My problem is that most of the writers were armchair psychoanalists, and in the absolute worst way. All characters were gay and/or hated the opposite sex and/or were abused by them. The same was true of everyone who worked on the films.

And I'm not joking when I say that every single article had the word "phallic" in it. Characters walk past a "phallic white picket fence". Someone steps out from behind a "phallic pillar".

It was ridiculous. Every male character that had a male friend in the movie was now suddenly gay and they were lovers.

And Bram Stoker must have been a mysogynist because you have to kill a vampire by a wooden stake, and, as we all know, that's a phallic symbol. So that means killing a vampire is rape! Stoker must be in favor of raping women! And when all the men band together to kill Dracula, that was like a gay gang rape! Obviously, Stoker's mysogyny is the result of his hidden homosexuality!

Sadly, I'm not kidding there.

They also claimed that Dr. Pretorious from Bride Of Frankenstein was a necropheliac serial killer.

 

[jdavis]

ok, first CHRIS CLAREMONT is THE x-men writer.
stan lee wrote the early issues
len wein wrote giant size x-men #1 which re-introduced the team after years of repeats in the regular monthly titles
len wein plotted 94 and 95 with claremont writing
and then then claremont was fully in control from 96 in 1976 until the mid-90s. 17 years he wrote this book.
he IS the writer who turned this book into THE best-selling comic. to say any different is to be.... WRONG.


defending both sides of this arguement,
steve

Yes from '76 to '91 he did write most of Uncanny X Men and a lot of the other X titles too (he came back in 2000). (I am pretty sure the Legacy virus stuff was mid to late '90's). But:

Chris Clairmont himself has said that the X-Men are supposed to be metaphor for homosexuality, that when you're reading about the X-Men, you're reading about gay people.

Clairmont is sometimes considered to be a nut...

So if I believe that he said this and I believe what you said about him being THE X Men writer, then I have to believe that X men are a metaphor for Homosexuality. If I believe that the comics are then I have to believe the movie directly based on it is too, which means that the acticle that started this whole thread is actually true. You can't defend both sides of this arguement, one side is that it's only about homosexuality and the other side is no it's about all outsider groups.

So is Clairmont a nut or have we all been misunderstanding what the comics have been about?

 

[Mark]

Wasn't it Sigmund Freud who said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."?

 

[Jemal]

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Wasn't it Sigmund Freud who said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."?

Yes, guys, that's true. What everyone around here is taking about is the fact that..

SOMETIMES.... it's a cigarette.

(HAH, hows that for some gay symbolism?)

-Brought to you by your friendly neighbourhood Gamerette..
NO WAIT, I meant gaymer...
No, wait...

*L* j/k.