D&D (2024) Thoughts on Stealth and D&D2024

[KYRON45]

I have, and I do. But people keep trying to tell me the RAW doesn’t say what it says, or that the only reason it doesn’t work for me is because the word “invisible” is confusing me. So, here we are.

Arguing with people on the internet isn't productive.
RAW says what it says.....how you interpret it is going to be different depending on how you interpret things.
Arguing with people who wake up in the morning with the driving NEED to be right isn't going to get you anywhere.
Just do what's right for your crew and enjoy.

 

[Charlaquin]

As I have said you are conflating the spell with the action.

I’m not. But people keep telling me I am, which is why I’ve had to resort to using “homebrew” with identical text and different names to illustrate where the actual sticking point is.

Think of hiding IRL, that's how it works in the game.

Well, that’s clearly how it’s supposed to work in game, but I’m arguing that the actual text doesn’t produce that result.

Hiding gives you the invisible condition because it works within the rules, not because you are actually invisible.

It sure does

 

[kayakingpoodle]

I’m not. But people keep telling me I am, which is why I’ve had to resort to using “homebrew” with identical text and different names to illustrate where the actual sticking point is.

Well, that’s clearly how it’s supposed to work in game, but I’m arguing that the actual text doesn’t produce that result.

It sure does

You just don't want it to say that, it is the same as IRL plain and simple. Hide doesn't give you the Invisibility spell for free. Good luck with your argument. If you don't want to play it like it is play it how you prefer.

 

[KYRON45]

Only if you move while they are looking at you when you move, line of site. Otherwise it is passive perception.

Again there is no magic associated with the Hide action, it is skill, timing and luck not magic.

Line of sight is a misnomer.
If there are no facings then you are facing all directions at all times.
This is why i hate "sneak attack".

 

[kayakingpoodle]

Line of sight is a misnomer.
If there are no facings then you are facing all directions at all times.
This is why i hate "sneak attack".

To the player this is true, for the character they have a line of sight. It gets metagamed alot.

 

[Charlaquin]

Well, guess kyackingpoodle would rather block me than try to understand my perspective. Sad, but what can you do.

 

[KYRON45]

To the player this is true, for the character they have a line of sight. It gets metagamed alot.

This really is a fun game.

 

[KYRON45]

Well, guess kyackingpoodle would rather block me than try to understand my perspective. Sad, but what can you do.

You have my support.
I believe in you!!!

 

[ezo]

360 degrees is a circle not a line. Line of sight is looking at you plus their perhriphial vision, you can see them, they are not "looking" if you are not in their line of sight(outside of their cone of sight i.e. direct line plus perhriphial) the passive perception comes into play.

Again, there is no facing in 5E so therefore no "field" (cone plus peripheral) of sight. A creature can establish Line of Sight all around them. Maybe this will help:

A sentry is standing in a clearing (why? no clue... not important) in Bright Light. Rogue A, B, and C all have Heavy Obscurment in very thick woods. Each is trying to move from their position across an opening to other Heavy Obscurement. There is no facing in 5E, so the sentry has Line of Sight on A (white line), B (yellow line), and C (red line).

From your PoV, he will see A, maybe B depending on how good his peripheral vision is, but not C because he is "behind the sentry". While I agree with you that is how it should work and would if 5E used facing, it doesn't. So, he will see all three.

Now, ToM, the DM can simply tell the player of Rogue C, "He is looking away from your position" and deny Line of Sight I suppose. But he could just as easily say the sentry is occasionally turning to look behind himself so might see Rogue C.

 

[ezo]

Well, guess kyackingpoodle would rather block me than try to understand my perspective. Sad, but what can you do.

It happens.