Hypersmurf
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In the situation where several people post almost the same message almost simultaneously, he wants a Feat (like Improved Initiative, kinda) to get his post in before everyone else.
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In the situation where several people post almost the same message almost simultaneously, he wants a Feat (like Improved Initiative, kinda) to get his post in before everyone else.
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Zhure
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Belbarrus said:
"Shield Bash Attacks: You can bash an opponent with a shield, using it as an off-hand weapon. A Medium-size character deals 1d4 points of damage (x2 crit) with a large shield or 1d3 (x2 crit) with a small one. (You cannot bash with a tower shield.) A Small character deals 1d3 points of damage (x2 crit) with a large shield or 1d2 (x2 crit) with a small one. Used this way, the shield is a martial bludgeoning weapon. For purposes of attack penalties, treat a shield as a light weapon. If you use your shield as a weapon, you lose its AC bonus until your next action (usually until the next round)."
PHB, page 106
Heavy Crossbows, light crossbows require two hands to use, regardless of size. So do bows. That means you're relegated to using this tactic with a sling or medium throwing weapon (or small throwing weapon if you're a small character).
Since bucklers can't be used to bash, that also limits the tactics. In any case, it won't work while using a bow.
Greg
Pooka
First Post
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Ok, I would say using a ranged weapon is a two hand job, maybe except a handcrossbow (but for reloading it you still need two hands... so no real exception) but for any other you need both hands.
And what would an AoO look like? Throw your bow/crossbow on the opponent? When you have the opportunity for an AoO you have to load your bow/crossbow and that just needs more time than you have for an AoO ... so you don´t really have the opportunity, because your weapon isn´t allowing it.
You threaten the area only in your attack because only then you can use your weapon ... I wouldn´t allow an unarmed strike in that situation, because your attention is just on your bow an reloading/aiming or whatever ....
So, no threat, no flanking and believe me that is quiet cruel for my own character !!!
Pooka
Ok, I would say using a ranged weapon is a two hand job, maybe except a handcrossbow (but for reloading it you still need two hands... so no real exception) but for any other you need both hands.
And what would an AoO look like? Throw your bow/crossbow on the opponent? When you have the opportunity for an AoO you have to load your bow/crossbow and that just needs more time than you have for an AoO ... so you don´t really have the opportunity, because your weapon isn´t allowing it.
You threaten the area only in your attack because only then you can use your weapon ... I wouldn´t allow an unarmed strike in that situation, because your attention is just on your bow an reloading/aiming or whatever ....
So, no threat, no flanking and believe me that is quiet cruel for my own character !!!
Pooka
Pooka said:????
Ok, I would say using a ranged weapon is a two hand job, maybe except a handcrossbow (but for reloading it you still need two hands... so no real exception) but for any other you need both hands.
And what would an AoO look like? Throw your bow/crossbow on the opponent? When you have the opportunity for an AoO you have to load your bow/crossbow and that just needs more time than you have for an AoO ... so you don´t really have the opportunity, because your weapon isn´t allowing it.
You threaten the area only in your attack because only then you can use your weapon ... I wouldn´t allow an unarmed strike in that situation, because your attention is just on your bow an reloading/aiming or whatever ....
So, no threat, no flanking and believe me that is quiet cruel for my own character !!!
Pooka
Pooka, I think, sums it up nicely.
Korin Tempest
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has any of this occured to anyone?
1. yes, when using the bow, it is considered to be used two handed, which is why you cannot use a shield, but, generally, one holds the bow itself in the offhand, and that generally leaves your primary hand free when not firing... one can wear a spiked guantlet even while firing the bow, but one would that that while not firing, i.e. other initiative counts, he could be threatening the area around him, because he is technically also armed for melee... it takes less than 1/2 a second to throw a punch....
2. there have been arguments that you cannot use the quickdraw feat to make attacks of opportunity, which is right when the attack would normally be provoked, but one could technically use quick draw to draw the melee weapon at the end of their count, as to threaten the area around them, then at the beginning of his next count, they could sheath as a free action, fire the bow, then again quick draw as a free action to threaten the surrounding area...
not saying that this is the absolute way of things, just playing devil's advocate....
1. yes, when using the bow, it is considered to be used two handed, which is why you cannot use a shield, but, generally, one holds the bow itself in the offhand, and that generally leaves your primary hand free when not firing... one can wear a spiked guantlet even while firing the bow, but one would that that while not firing, i.e. other initiative counts, he could be threatening the area around him, because he is technically also armed for melee... it takes less than 1/2 a second to throw a punch....
2. there have been arguments that you cannot use the quickdraw feat to make attacks of opportunity, which is right when the attack would normally be provoked, but one could technically use quick draw to draw the melee weapon at the end of their count, as to threaten the area around them, then at the beginning of his next count, they could sheath as a free action, fire the bow, then again quick draw as a free action to threaten the surrounding area...
not saying that this is the absolute way of things, just playing devil's advocate....
Hypersmurf
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You could have a Haversack with a dozen sheathed longswords.
End of the round - produce a sheathed longsword as a Free Action, Quickdraw longsword as a Free Action.
Start of the round - drop longsword as Free Action, use bow for Full Attack.
End of the round - produce another longsword...
-Hyp.
End of the round - produce a sheathed longsword as a Free Action, Quickdraw longsword as a Free Action.
Start of the round - drop longsword as Free Action, use bow for Full Attack.
End of the round - produce another longsword...
-Hyp.
Korin Tempest
First Post
what about quick drawing arrows? they can be used as melee weapons, so they would threaten the area..
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