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[SpikeyFreak]

You'll have to ask Edena those questions, I'm just giving you a general idea how one aquires a 121st level character. Aparently you just get 11 characters to either 11th or 12th level.

--Fanning Spikey

 

[Deset Gled]

I'm just giving you a general idea how one aquires a 121st level character. Aparently you just get 11 characters to either 11th or 12th level.

Sounds like an extreme exploitation of 2e multiclassing rules to me.

 

[Pielorinho]

On the one hand, Edena, this really is a pretty silly thread: you know as well as everyone else knows that you play according to highly nonstandard rules, and so when you use your very unusual campaign world to ridicule a spell in a published setting, you gotta expect some ribbing.

On the other hand, hey -- whatever floats your boat. Although I'm not really interested in hearing about your character (I'm not really interested in hearing about anyone's character), if you enjoy playing this way, more power to you. Folks mocking you for playing in an unusual fashion (rather than teasing you for your mocking of Relics & Rituals) aren't being entirely fair. To the extent that I was doing that, I apologize.

But really. It's silly to base ANY criticism of ANY rules off of your character -- that would be like criticizing a D&D spell based on its effects on the Marvel Universe.

Daniel

 

[Benben]

Sounds like an extreme exploitation of 2e multiclassing rules to me.

Or the Eternal Champion from Michael Moorcock.

 

[LokiDR]

I seem to recall a person who wrote into dragon magizine several years ago, explaining how his 300th or some such level character had captured all the gods and just destroyed the world. He asked every reader to send in their character sheets so he could tabulate the experience.

I thought that was hilarious, just like this thread.

 

[Dr. NRG]

Re: The new Game Balance ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Edena, at 121st level, could cast about 23 Destruction spells in a day...


...And they call MY characters and spells munckinized?!
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!

Erm, for once, I'm with them. Whoever "they" are, I'm with them.

NRG

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

You're referring to Waldorf, from some of the early Dragon Magazines.
He - apparently - killed all the dieties of Greyhawk, conquered the world (with nukes) and then he apparently sent an article to Dragon, asking EVERYONE who read that magazine and played characters in Greyhawk, to send their characters to him so he could tabulate experience.

I am assuming that this player was trying to be humorous.

Anyways, the people who subscribed to Dragon started sending in way after way in which they somehow escaped the destruction of Greyhawk (Oerth) by Waldorf, and how they came back to kill him.
In the end, someone packed a spelljammer (see the old 2nd edition setting) full of Nilbogs, and rammed it at something approaching galactic speed into Waldorf's castle.
I remember reading that the people at Dragon gave a cheer and declared Waldorf dead. (and that was meant in humor, I believe, as well.)

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As for Edena the PC, he cannot achieve any sort of Epic Feat or Epic Spell.
He could not do so in 2nd edition, so there is no reason to believe he can do so now.
So, there is a good chance that - translated - Edena is a 20th level character in 3rd Edition.

- - -

Regardless of Edena, I think I've made my point.
With spells like Apocalypse from the Sky (and that is official WOTC) and Denev's Fury, SOMEONE needs to be out there to protect the populace.

For as I said before, the last thing the Forgotten Realms needs (or Krynn, or Oerth) is a large number of insane and evil wizards and/or clerics running around looking for an artifact to corrupt so they can all create their own personal Anaurochs.
The Forgotten Realms and other worlds need Champions to stand up against this kind of threat.


I still say Mystra is neutral. If Vile Magic exists, then I cannot believe Mystra is Good.
For Mystra is the conscious aspect of magic, and if there is Vile Magic, that consciousness would not be good. Not, at least, in my opinion.

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As for ribbing Edena, I don't mind.
It happens all the time.
You DO realize, though, that Wizards of the Coast officially recognizes and sanctions characters up to 100th level?
They said so, at Origins, two or three years ago.

 

[Pielorinho]

As for ribbing Edena, I don't mind.
It happens all the time.
You DO realize, though, that Wizards of the Coast officially recognizes and sanctions characters up to 100th level?
They said so, at Origins, two or three years ago.

And.....? Are you posting this to counter my saying that you play Edena according to highly unconventional rules?

Daniel

 

[drnuncheon]

Regardless of Edena, I think I've made my point.
With spells like Apocalypse from the Sky (and that is official WOTC) and Denev's Fury, SOMEONE needs to be out there to protect the populace.

*scratches head* I thought your point was that your spells weren't munchkin. I think I need a program. Can't follow the thread without a program.

I still say Mystra is neutral. If Vile Magic exists, then I cannot believe Mystra is Good.
For Mystra is the conscious aspect of magic, and if there is Vile Magic, that consciousness would not be good. Not, at least, in my opinion.

I haven't seen Vile magic in any FR product as of yet.

And even though Apocalypse from the Sky is "official WOTC", well, so are Vecna, St. Cuthbert, and Hextor, but you don't see them in the Realms either.

And, of course, if there's already a Weave and a Shadow Weave, there's always the possibility of a third source of magic, which exacts a terrible toll for its use.

So, really, it boils down to 'Mystra can stay good if you want her to', although I'm not really sure when deific alignment entered the thread. (I really do need that program.)

You DO realize, though, that Wizards of the Coast officially recognizes and sanctions characters up to 100th level?
They said so, at Origins, two or three years ago.

I hate to be the one that brings this up, but...121st level is greater than 100th.

J

 

[Sejs]

I remember running into a 'monty hall' campaign back in 1e, a group of guys going around killing gods and such. And they dared me to try to kill them.

"As you step out of the solid gold walls of your keep, respendent in your +50 Platemail of Invulnerability, you take a deep, cleansing breath wondering what sort of small challenge you may face today. Defeat every demon in the abyss? Or maybe steal the Heart of Limbo...

As you contemplate what you're going to do, you notice the sun go out. The Quasar Dragon, attracted to your planet by the huge concentration of power and magic has just devoured your world.

Well that just about wraps that up. So, what say we give Greyhawk a try this time around? Say 3rd level starting characters.."

ah hell you guys have gone and riled up edena...lord help us now...

*shrug* I was expecting something about how cool elves should be again. Wacky 121st level characters and talking about the gods of magic by comparason is a sunday picnic.


As for Mystra, protecting the populace from mass destruction, heroes, etc. My oppinion - best to look at it this way: Mystra is the goddess of magic. Period. Just magic. If something bad is done and it doesn't directly threaten the weave... she couldn't care less. So what if a city gets burned to the ground? Not my problem, go talk to Ilmater or someone who gives a flip. As for people, well, the only people she needs to care about are:

A) High-level priests of Mystra (those that have her ear directly, more or less)
B) Chosen of Mystra (aka Disposable Agents of Mystra. One die? Oh well, crush it against your forhead and crack out another from the sixpack.)
C) People who directly threaten to permanantly damage or undo the weave.