Pathfinder 1E To All Who Think Pathfinder Can Challenge WotC

[Dausuul]

I think that this is very unlikely, at least as long as 4E is shiny and new(as opposed to established and invincible). I'm just saying that WotC could do something like this without breaking a sweat, and I don't think Pathfinder could compete with it.

Also unlikely because it would be stupid.

WotC could release such a cyclopedia, sure. But if they do, they split their brand in much the same way TSR did--two parallel systems, competing for the same player base, and each incompatible with the other. That's an extremely dumb strategy, and would do far more damage to WotC and the D&D brand than simply letting Paizo pick over their leavings.

 

[Umbran]

Its when I see posts like the OP that I wonder how many plants are on these boards.

The only plants on these boards are Treants, and things that druids have cast Awaken upon.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

Ok, but don't now -with your post here- know how to make Pathfinder in a way that they can bloody that gorilla?

A large portion of the best material for 3.5E wasn't part of the OGL. In building Pathfinder, they are so far largely sticking to the OGL.

A 3.5E fix built using non-OGL material will be better than one that does not.

 

[thecasualoblivion]

Also unlikely because it would be stupid.

WotC could release such a cyclopedia, sure. But if they do, they split their brand in much the same way TSR did--two parallel systems, competing for the same player base, and each incompatible with the other. That's an extremely dumb strategy, and would do far more damage to WotC and the D&D brand than simply letting Paizo pick over their leavings.

I can completely agree with this. The only way I could reasonably concieve of a 3E Rules Cyclopedia is 4E establishes itself to the point where a 3E Rules Cyclopedia isn't competition for the 4E game, and simply a nostalgic cleanup of the old game like the original Rules Cyclopedia for BEMCI, which was not really competing with the current game of the time.

 

[MintMMs]

This is foolish.

1) WotC has enough stuff to do (and not a lot of time to do it) with 4e. There is NO way that they'd waste the time to enhance 3.x to the level mentioned. The cost outweighs any advantage they'd gain from this product.

2) WotC employees are FRIENDS with Piazo employees. None of what I've seen so far by either company has been done out of malice towards the other. That's not going to start now.

This post was just to stir people up.

 

[Mishihari Lord]

Just a little sloppiness, due to being a little miffed at people who think a small 3rd party company can bloody the 800 pound gorilla of WotC is a reasonable assumption. Nothing against Paizo, just wishful thinkers.

I don't see any reason why they couldn't, and that's with the benefit of formal business strategy training at a leading business school. Market leaders have been challenged, bloodied, even put out of business by upstarts any number of times in various industries. I also haven't seen any reason to believe that Paizo wants to bloody WOTC. They just want to make some money serving people that don't want to buy WOTC's new product. I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

 

[xechnao]

This post was just to stir people up.

Somehow I also learned that the original poster prefers Wotc non-OGL rules houseruled in a certain way than current Pathfinder that wants to stay OGL.

 

[BryonD]

To All Who Think Pathfinder Can Challenge WotC

Do you frequently make posts addressed to a zero population?

 

[Umbran]

I post this in 4E because this is where all the pro-Paizo anti 4E posters are.

WotC can destroy Pathfinder any time it wants.

Okay, so, the reason for this post is... to find the pro-Paizo people, and make them feel worried, small, or somehow as if the think they like isn't worth liking?

I think not. Thread closed.

 

[Henry]

I'm tempted to close this thread because it is likely a flamewar waiting to happen, but I'll leave it for now. It's on thin ice, as is anyone who wants to intentionally sink it.

EDIT: ...And Umbran followed my same thoughts.

There are two problems with the supposition in the first post:

1) Saying is not doing. I really don't see an impetus to make WotC want to devote time and resources to the very thing mentioned here; their efforts are on the future, not the past, and releasing something with no intention to support it wouldn't be very viable, I would think.

2) The original post doesn't take into account the "buy-in" that Paizo is planning. Anyone remember those "long tail" and "1,000 true fan" discussions a while back? (The two concepts are found in wikipedia now, too.) Paizo is offering a "buy-in" with their Open playtest of their product, which is to me a pretty smart plan.If they can get even a small core of their fanbase to feel a part of this product, they'll have no interest in any "compendium" WotC would target at them, and the rest of WotC's fanbase likely wouldn't even know what it's really for, and wouldn't care. With a strong but small fan base, Paizo could live pretty well doing what they love.

I'll also say it now: No one at Paizo has ever said they intend to "challenge WotC", and I would imagine most of them would think it daft if someone DID think they would be taking the lion's share of D&D gamers with them. But they know how big their fan base is now, and if they can make a move that gets most of them to keep following them, then they'll be quite happy, I would imagine.

So in the end, "My Dad can beat up your Dad" discussions aren't really productive. If BOTH products are available in the marketplace, the gaming community is BETTER off, not worse.