To anyone who bought the EPIC LEVEL HANDBOOK

[kreynolds]

Re: Epic Spells

Epic spells can not have metamagic feats applied to them.

Correct.

I've never heard of a item that grants +30 to a skill.

So that means it doesn't exhist? Right.

The limit seems to be +10 so I'm guessing it would need to an artifact.

Good guess, but incorrect. The limit is +30. The epic level pricing begins at +31. Also, epic level magic items still are not artifacts, even though they are close to that level of power. Perhaps you are thinking of the +10 limitation to AC bonus types?

Anything that has a market price of over 200,000gp is considered an epic magic item. Keep in mind that in the core rules, anything priced above 200,000gp is considered an artifact, but remember, the epic level rules are not part of the core rules, so if you don't use them, items above 200,000gp are considered artifacts, but not so if you do use the epic level rules.

 

[Blacksad]

Re: Epic Spells

I've never heard of a item that grants +30 to a skill. The limit seems to be +10 so I'm guessing it would need to an artifact.

reread the chapter on magic item

an item that grant a skill check bonus of +30 is a normal item, one that gran a +31 item is an epic item (not an artifact).

 

[mikebr99]

Re: Epic Spells

Epic spells can not have metamagic feats applied to them. I've never heard of a item that grants +30 to a skill. The limit seems to be +10 so I'm guessing it would need to an artifact.
mikebr99: I've checked dozens of times. I've checked the math for it. The spellcraft DC for Dragon Strike is DC 50, not DC 500. The highest level DC is Vengeful Gaze of God which has a DC of 417.

Dragon Strike
Conjuration (Summoning) [Fire]
Spellcraft DC: 68
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 action
Range: 75 ft.
Effect: 10 summoned adult red dragons
Duration: 20 rounds (D)
Saving Throw: None (see text)
Spell Resistance: No
Development: 4,500,000 gp; 90 days; 180,000 XP. Seed: Summon (DC 14), summon creature CR 2 other than outsiders +10
DC, summon CR 14 creature +24 DC, summon 10 such creatures x10 DC; factor: 1 action casting time +20 DC.
As dragon knight, except spell summons ten adult red dragons. On the first round, they all prefer to simultaneously breath fire
on an enemy, if possible.

See development:

Seed: Summon (DC 14)
summon creature CR 2 other than outsiders +10 DC
summon CR 14 creature +24 DC

Subtotal = 48

summon 10 such creatures x10 DC
1 action casting time +20 DC

Total = 500 DC

What am I missing?

 

[zhouj]

Re: Re: Epic Spells

Correct.



So that means it doesn't exhist? Right.



Good guess, but incorrect. The limit is +30. The epic level pricing begins at +31. Also, epic level magic items still are not artifacts, even though they are close to that level of power. Perhaps you are thinking of the +10 limitation to AC bonus types?

Anything that has a market price of over 200,000gp is considered an epic magic item. Keep in mind that in the core rules, anything priced above 200,000gp is considered an artifact, but remember, the epic level rules are not part of the core rules, so if you don't use them, items above 200,000gp are considered artifacts, but not so if you do use the epic level rules.

Where exactly are the limits for the magic items listed?

 

[zhouj]

Re: Re: Epic Spells

See development:

Seed: Summon (DC 14)
summon creature CR 2 other than outsiders +10 DC
summon CR 14 creature +24 DC

Subtotal = 48

summon 10 such creatures x10 DC
1 action casting time +20 DC

Total = 500 DC

What am I missing?

The mitigating factors. -170 DC for 10 additional casters with 9th level slots. Plus -280 DC for all casters burning 2800 XP.

 

[WildWeasel]

Re: Re: Epic Spells

See development:

Seed: Summon (DC 14)
summon creature CR 2 other than outsiders +10 DC
summon CR 14 creature +24 DC

Subtotal = 48

summon 10 such creatures x10 DC
1 action casting time +20 DC

Total = 500 DC

What am I missing?

The mitigating factors of 10 extra casters who each have to burn a 9th level slot (-170 DC) and 2,800 XP apiece (-280 DC).

 

[kreynolds]

Re: Re: Re: Epic Spells

Where exactly are the limits for the magic items listed?

The ELH defines the non-epic limits. These limits also define non-artifacts in the DMG, though they are not listed in it.

 

[Avarice]

Re: Epic Spells

Epic spells can not have metamagic feats applied to them. I've never heard of a item that grants +30 to a skill. The limit seems to be +10 so I'm guessing it would need to an artifact.
mikebr99: I've checked dozens of times. I've checked the math for it. The spellcraft DC for Dragon Strike is DC 50, not DC 500. The highest level DC is Vengeful Gaze of God which has a DC of 417.

Yeah, a limit of +10 would seem sensible, but its just not the case. A ring of jumping grants a +30 bonus to jump checks for instance; no epic alterations required. And for the bargain basement price of 2k gp, no less! Get 'em before your DM sobers up!

 

[Steven McRownt]

What about an EPIC level COMMONERS? Do they can irrigate a field in some minutes or grow crops in desert?

Steven McRownt

 

[Ashrem Bayle]

hehe

Profession (Farming) DC:100 Grow corn on iceburg.