To celebrate the re-re-re-release of Episode IV

[Ranger REG]

They keep it up and we're gonna rebel like the LOTR fans are with the newest umpteenth "revision" of the movies.

George needs to learn when ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and let things be. If he wants to tinker on stuff, he can remove Jar Jar from the prequels.

Like I stated time and time again. George Lucas is a spineless wuss that let his audience walk all over him and tell him what to do with his own creation. He should have put his foot down, instead of releasing the original laserdisc-transferred version of SW OT.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Like I stated time and time again. George Lucas is a spineless wuss that let his audience walk all over him and tell him what to do with his own creation. He should have put his foot down, instead of releasing the original laserdisc-transferred version of SW OT.

It's between George being a spineless wuss and we being such demanding fans to want different versions of the movies and then bitching when he delivers and we don't like them in the end....

 

[Plane Sailing]

Okay- I see what you're saying. Yes- Star Wars was originally released with the theatrical title "Star Wars", but it was always Episode IV: A New Hope- that was the title that scrawled across the screen in the very beginning. So yes, they were originally Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi, but technically speaking Star Wars was A New Hope.

Not actually true - if you look at the 'changes' in the screenshots linked to from the first post here, it makes it clear that it was only in the 1997 release that they introduced 'Episode IV: A New Hope'. The 1977 original didn't have that title on the screen crawl at all!

Cheers

 

[Ranger REG]

It's between George being a spineless wuss and we being such demanding fans to want different versions of the movies and then bitching when he delivers and we don't like them in the end....

Exactly, that's why I didn't like the recent release. It should never have existed in the first place. But NOOOOOOO!!! Georgie-boy caved.

Inconceivable! (Yeah, just picked up The Princess Bride DVD. )

 

[Moonstone Spider]

In a lot of ways I think experience has conditioned Lucas to tinker with the OT as much as possible.

I mean, what else is he going to do for a living? His non-SW movies were total flops. He's not going to impress anybody with Howard the Duck II or Son of Willow. And the PT were, in many ways, critical and financial failures. Everything he's tried except the OT has failed, why should he bother with anything else?

Basically he's a one-hit wonder but his one hit was really, really, wonderful. He has nothing to fall back on except finding ways to get people to buy the Star Wars movies over and over and over again.

 

[Ranger REG]

In a lot of ways I think experience has conditioned Lucas to tinker with the OT as much as possible.

I only hear he has tinkered OT twice, the last one for the DVD set released two years ago was a bit more subtle, since he did most of the makeover back in the last millenium (i.e., Special Edition).

I mean, what else is he going to do for a living? His non-SW movies were total flops. He's not going to impress anybody with Howard the Duck II or Son of Willow.

AFAIK, Ron "Opie" Howard directed Willow.

And the PT were, in many ways, critical and financial failures.

Is it, truly? Because everytime I use that above statement, someone (a die-hardcore Star Wars label fan) disagrees with me.

Everything he's tried except the OT has failed, why should he bother with anything else?

He may not reap profit like he did with his one-hit wonder, but he's still a filmmaker. The dude just have to go back to his basic root. I mean, it's great that he created ILM so that every filmmakers and studios can benefit from the service of great special effects and latest cinema technology, but what good is these hi-tech tools if you don't know the basics of fimmaking?

I mean, come on. He hasn't been behind the camera since ROTJ back in the 80's and then he went to doing the TPM after 10-plus years break??? You know his skills are going to be rusty. But NOOOOO!!!! The die-hardcore Star Wars label fan kept hemiming and hawing for new Star Wars film, and no matter what we say critically about PT, they're blinded by their love of Star Wars. Trust me, we can make a killing selling Star Wars branded fresh, aromatic bantha poop to them ... and retire early.



He was once stated that he'll be producing indie films. Perhaps that's what he need to hone his filmmaking skills to what they once were.


P.S. They can't handle the truth.

 

[Moonstone Spider]

I only hear he has tinkered OT twice, the last one for the DVD set released two years ago was a bit more subtle, since he did most of the makeover back in the last millenium (i.e., Special Edition).


AFAIK, Ron "Opie" Howard directed Willow.

Hmm, I was thinking this is the third time he's modified the OT. Also Lucas wrote and produced Willow, though he didn't direct it.

Is it, truly? Because everytime I use that above statement, someone (a die-hardcore Star Wars label fan) disagrees with me.

He may not reap profit like he did with his one-hit wonder, but he's still a filmmaker. The dude just have to go back to his basic root. I mean, it's great that he created ILM so that every filmmakers and studios can benefit from the service of great special effects and latest cinema technology, but what good is these hi-tech tools if you don't know the basics of fimmaking?[/quote]Financial: Adjusted for Inflation, Star Wars ep 4 is the second most successful movie of all time, behind only Gone with the Wind. The other OT movies are all in the top 50 highest grossing movies ever made.

Meanwhile of the Prequels, only Episode 1 even makes that list, and it's production cost is more than 1/5th of it's take, it being close to the bottom.

Critical: On the IMDB fan listing ANH ranks #10 of the most popular movies of all time, while Empire comes in #11. Meanwhile of the Prequels, the most popular is Revenge which pulls in an "impressive" #238. The other prequel movies are even more dismal, not finding their way onto the top 250 at all.

The PT had it's successes to be sure. They're well above the average for movies, but they'll never achieve the sort of financial and critical success that the OT did. Thus my guesswork that Lucas would rather tinker with his huge success than go on with other mediocre-success things.

I mean, come on. He hasn't been behind the camera since ROTJ back in the 80's and then he went to doing the TPM after 10-plus years break??? You know his skills are going to be rusty. But NOOOOO!!!! The die-hardcore Star Wars label fan kept hemiming and hawing for new Star Wars film, and no matter what we say critically about PT, they're blinded by their love of Star Wars. Trust me, we can make a killing selling Star Wars branded fresh, aromatic bantha poop to them ... and retire early.

He produced several things since Star Wars such as the aforementioned Willow, Howard the Duck, Land before Time, and a few others. Nor can you have it both ways, he can't have both waited for decades and be prone to folding under pressure like a wet napkin. There was outcry for more Star Wars movies about ten minutes after ROTJ was released. You cannot blame the Fans for the producer's decisions.

He was once stated that he'll be producing indie films. Perhaps that's what he need to hone his filmmaking skills to what they once were.


P.S. They can't handle the truth.

Right now he's working on Indiana Jones 4. Apparently, he wants to try to cash in on yet another established franchise rather than try to build up a new legend. It's understandable, under the circumstances.

 

[Ranger REG]

Hmm, I was thinking this is the third time he's modified the OT.

What specific part of the films that he modified this alleged third time?

Also Lucas wrote and produced Willow, though he didn't direct it.

That's a plus.

Right now he's working on Indiana Jones 4. Apparently, he wants to try to cash in on yet another established franchise rather than try to build up a new legend. It's understandable, under the circumstances.

Kind of a burden you're putting on him, expecting him to build a new box office legend. Sheesh.

That's like asking Tolkien to do more than just Middle-Earth and Beowulf.

 

[Moonstone Spider]

What specific part of the films that he modified this alleged third time?



That's a plus.



Kind of a burden you're putting on him, expecting him to build a new box office legend. Sheesh.

That's like asking Tolkien to do more than just Middle-Earth and Beowulf.

Actually I'm the one who said it was understandable for him to want to continue to build on box office legends. As far as I'm aware, I haven't said anything negative about Lucas*, merely presented a theory on how he behaves.

*Now I have said things that are pretty negative about some of his movies but that's another story.

 

[ssampier]

Like I stated time and time again. George Lucas is a spineless wuss that let his audience walk all over him and tell him what to do with his own creation. He should have put his foot down, instead of releasing the original laserdisc-transferred version of SW OT.

I am one of those same audience members who love the SW OT. I am happy to give George my money for the "bonus disc".