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[Ryujin]

I'm actually surprised it's not already 100% as you require 4 years experience to get an entry level position and you need an entry level position to get experience.

... unless the job is "Barista."

 

[Scribe]

I'm actually surprised it's not already 100% as you require 4 years experience to get an entry level position and you need an entry level position to get experience.

... unless the job is "Barista."

Yeah, in a few years time its going to be chaos unless everyone pivots out of tech and leaves us grey haired folks to do it all (or its outsourced!)

 

[Ryujin]

Yeah, in a few years time its going to be chaos unless everyone pivots out of tech and leaves us grey haired folks to do it all (or its outsourced!)

I"m already able to retire at full pension, though I'm hanging on to max it out. Two other guys are a couple of years away from it. There are 3 others who do the position at the main campus and 4 who handle just our School of Medicine, at a remote campus location. The three of us, between us, are the most senior and have 75+ years total experience. Of the three remaining one is about 5 years behind me, but has only kept his job because of the union (waste of skin). The other two have 6 and 3 years. We do the stuff that AI can't replace (plug in cables, physical repairs, etc.). I'm wondering what they're going to do when that amount of institutional knowledge walks out the door, virtually simultaneously.

 

[Thomas Shey]

I'm actually surprised it's not already 100% as you require 4 years experience to get an entry level position and you need an entry level position to get experience.

... unless the job is "Barista."

And the flip side is a lot of companies also won't hire older workers (as in, 40+) even though they have the experience.

I think there's a policy trap in this combination that is going to smash into at least Western business within about 20 years.

 

[Bohandas]

The root of the problem - the real core problem - is a society set up to make people reliant on employment. They're automating everything so why the hell should we be expected to work

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I’ve mused many times over the past 15+ years that automation (of some kind) is coming for most of the jobs humans currently do.

I’m not afraid of that, per se. A lot of sci-fi writers and futurists have written about what they think human societies will look like after that happens; essentially taking that replacement as inevitable.

The thing is, almost nobody writes about the transitional period from our current reality to these possible futures.

 

[Scribe]

I’ve mused many times over the past 15+ years that automation (of some kind) is coming for most of the jobs humans currently do.

I’m not afraid of that, per se. A lot of sci-fi writers and futurists have written about what they think human societies will look like after that happens; essentially taking that replacement as inevitable.

The thing is, almost nobody writes about the transitional period from our current reality to these possible futures.

Yeah I've thought a whole bunch about the decline of the middle class lately, and the rise of automation...

 

[trappedslider]

The thing is, almost nobody writes about the transitional period from our current reality to these possible futures.

they don't want to deal with the labor pain, they just want the baby

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Yeah I've thought a whole bunch about the decline of the middle class lately, and the rise of automation...

Commerce collapses when nobody can buy anything. When commerce collapses, civil unrest rises.

And to be clear, this isn’t about political/economic system types. There is no kind of government that can function without tax revenues, and there can’t be tax revenue if the population is facing inexorable rising unemployment.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Yeah I've thought a whole bunch about the decline of the middle class lately, and the rise of automation...

I don’t think it’s quite that simple. Certainly, there are a lot of writers who would prefer to write about what comes after.

But conflict is an ingredient in a lot of stories. And there’s all kinds of minds applying themselves to solving problems both imminent and over the temporal horizon.

I think it’s that the questions about that societal transition are extremely difficult to answer. Hell- they’re difficult to formulate. There’s a LOT of moving parts.