True Seeing

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kreynolds said:


Awesome approach! Wish I had been there for that one. :)

It just seemed to fit. In that campaign, the major baddies were ruled by a lich-demigod. His main lieutenants were archliches with truly warped personalities. One was a crazed half-orc witch (a campaign-specific varient of the druid, not the DMG version) with a knack for biological engineering. She invented the hydra (and lots of other freakish creatures) in our setting. Because she was so bat-sh*t loonie, she wasn't much good at handling the social and bureaucratic obligations of ruling her lands. Those duties were handled by her right hand woman... er... lich: Faj (aka. the Dark Wind of Kharnis).

Faj was once, long ago, a very powerful orc shamaness who became a minion of Xurgiz (our batty Dr. Moreau archlich). Unlike Xurgiz, Faj was perfectly sane... possessing a brilliant (even by non-orcish standards) mind and commanding presence. Six thousand years of being the power behind the throne of a nation made her insanely wealthy, so Faj indulged in an orcish tradition.... body art.

Since she had no flesh to scar or tattoo, she opted to decorate her bones with precious metal filligree and gems. These gave me a chance to literally attach magic items to her body, like the gem of seeing.

Oh, she was a 26th level druid with the lich template applied. Her epic feats included Beast Wildshape and Gargantuan wildshape, so she favoured the form of an enormous vulture (i.e. a roc, with a cosmetic makeover)... she she was undead, I ruled that her wildshapes would be undead, so this was a huge, roc-sized vulture with gigantic maggots crawling through its flesh and eye-sockets. The party met her once when she was displeased with their opponent. To futher her political scheming, she let them live, but the entire party (9th level) just about had a heart attack when she wildshaped (after unleashing several creeping doom spells all around them).

Eh.... sorry for straying off topic. Just remembering an NPC I was particularly proud of.
 

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Jay Lofstead said:
While this still takes up a slot, it makes both hands free. This allows full combat use and casual continuous use as compared with the gem. I think doubled price for goggles or an eye patch better match a change in slot. Be careful allowing somethig this powerful for such a cheap price (75k).

Note that nowhere in the item's description does it ever state that you must hold the gem. It simply states that it must be "gazed through". Now, you can gaze through a gem by holding it in front of your eye, yes, but that is not the only way, and the item's description in no way implies it either.
 


The item description implies that you just have to look through it to use it. However, this is a very powerful spell that should have a relatively short duration. So, some limitations may be in order. That was just the one I thought of.

I think according to the magic creation rules, Goggles of Truesight would cost more than the gem anyway. Book not in front of me. Could be wrong, but seems like it should be about 110,000 (5th level x 11th level caster x 2000).
 

totoro said:
However, this is a very powerful spell that should have a relatively short duration.

It does have a duration. The duration is presumably however long you hold it up to your eye.

totoro said:
I think according to the magic creation rules, Goggles of Truesight would cost more than the gem anyway. Book not in front of me. Could be wrong, but seems like it should be about 110,000 (5th level x 11th level caster x 2000).

It would cost 5 x 9 x 2,000 = 90,000. However, as a slotless item, it would then be 180,000. I don't think true seeing is worth that at all. So, this is just another one of those cases where a formula gets you started but doesn't really help in the end.
 

kreynolds said:


It does have a duration. The duration is presumably however long you hold it up to your eye.

I was thinking about a gem of trueseeing made into goggles (or a patch). It seems like at least half of the people who find a gem of trueseeing make it into goggles or the equivalent. Goggles are always up to your eye.

Anyway, I put a restriction IMC that you have to grasp the gem with both hands for it to work and was quite happy with the ruling. I don't like that ability to be on all the time because I think it is very powerful (i.e., a 5th level cleric spell on par with every other 5th level spell and better than most).


It would cost 5 x 9 x 2,000 = 90,000. However, as a slotless item, it would then be 180,000. I don't think true seeing is worth that at all. So, this is just another one of those cases where a formula gets you started but doesn't really help in the end.
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That's a perfectly reasonable opinion with which I differ.
 

totoro said:
I was thinking about a gem of trueseeing made into goggles (or a patch).

I know.

totoro said:
Goggles are always up to your eye.

Thus the duration is "always". ;)

totoro said:
Anyway, I put a restriction IMC that you have to grasp the gem with both hands for it to work and was quite happy with the ruling. I don't like that ability to be on all the time because I think it is very powerful (i.e., a 5th level cleric spell on par with every other 5th level spell and better than most).

I get ya. I just don't think it's that powerful, is all.

totoro said:
That's a perfectly reasonable opinion with which I differ.

I was just wondering why you raised your caster level up to an 11 when it wasn't necessary, is all. Was it so that you could raise the price?
 
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kreynolds said:


I was just wondering why you raised your caster level up to an 11 when it wasn't necessary, is all. Was it so that you could raise the price?

That was a mistake. Should have said caster level 9.
 


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