TSR TSR3.5 Launches IndieGogo Campaign to "Stop" WotC

The latest in the TSR3 saga, which has gone quiet for a while, is a new IndieGoGo campaign launched to "stop Wizards of the Coast". They cite wrongful bullying of TSR, and refusal to answer requests that WotC show TSR "proof of their claims" (although the campaign page doesn't mention what those claims are).

The IndieGoGo campaign was launched yesterday and has so far raised $675 (at the time of writing).

The action TSR seeks is a "Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership" which is a court declaration about the status of something in dispute.

TSR has launched a campaign to stop Wizards of the Coast

Become a Champion of TSR and Support TSR’s campaign against Wizards of the Coast!

TSR is taking a stand against Wizards of the Coast (“WOTC”) and its wrongful bullying of TSR, our trademarks, and its public libeling and slander of all those who helped create TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and products.

Wizards of the Coast has continually bullied TSR regarding TSR’s legally owned Trademarks. Wizards of the Coast has refused to answer all of TSR's repeated requests that they show any proof of their claims. Wizards of the Coast has the vast resources behind them and is implying to bring them to bear down on TSR.


The new TSR suffered widespread pushback when it launched, which they blamed on WotC, claiming that they were under a "coordinated assault across various channels being mounted.... by [WotC]" The company announced itself earlier this year, having acquired the TSR trademark after the previous holder accidentally let it lapse. It was run by Ernie Gygax, Justin LaNasa, and Stephen Dinehart. After several weeks of controversy, the company split into two -- Wonderfilled (Stephen Dinehart), and TSR (Ernie Gygax and Justin LaNasa).


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The page also indicates an intention to "fight to have WotC's legacy product disclaimer removed" from older products (that's the disclaimer on the older books available on DMs Guild which indicates that those books are products of their time) by claiming that the disclaimer portrays the creators of those older products as "as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products".


TSR will also Fight to Have the WOTC Legacy Disclaimer Removed

TSR is suing WOTC for Trademark Declaratory Judgement of Ownership . TSR will also pursue in the near future having WOTC remove the legacy content disclaimer placed on TSR based Dungeons & Dragons and other products, and retractions of any other libel and slander which alleges that racism and other heinous beliefs are incorporated into those products.

This disclaimer attempts to make a statement of fact argument, and therefore paints all of the writers, editors, artists and consumers of those products as supporting those alleged prejudices, stereotypes and bigotry, wrongfully claimed to be part of those products. This statement by Wizards of the Coast opens the possibility for the producers and players of these "Legacy Products" to face ridicule, and face the labeling as "bigots", "racists", "misogynists", and worse Cyber & Physical Attacks!

Wizards of the Coast legacy content disclaimer.

"We (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end".


TSR3's Justin LaNasa spoke about the campaign in a YouTube video.


 
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Nikosandros

Golden Procrastinator
And to be fair, I think Benoists work on it will turn out to be good and the whole thing even better via the Troll Lords. I hope folks that backed it get their moneys worth.
I'm quite upset with the way this project has been (mis)handled, but I consider Benoist a talented RPG writer and a great cartographer.
 



Dire Bare

Legend
OK, I gotta ask: why is it called Marmoreal? Is it a play on memorial and granite?
EDIT: Should have finished the thread before replying . . . .

Well . . . the online dictionary says that "marmoreal" means made of or like marble. So, it's a tomb made of marble, or made to look like it is.

But really, it's very Gygaxian . . . . take a real word that nobody uses and repurpose it slightly, probably without actually knowing what it means.
 



Mannahnin

Scion of Murgen
OK, I gotta ask: why is it called Marmoreal? Is it a play on memorial and granite?

My guess is that they just chose a fancy way of saying "made of marble".

I'm sure this is it. Just a Gygax archaic and obscure vocabulary word, like his dad used to use.

Ok, this is pretty hilarious.
 





Charging $50 to play in a game run by LaNasa or Darrick is an absolute joke, and one more shameless grift in a long line.

Venger is going to be at the TSR CON CON?! The idiot who "cursed" rpg.net?

I thought I had a good reason to avoid the place before!


A long while back I asked him why the name, and yeah, he explicitly said that it was for this very reason.

I'd also point out that the only reason the Marmoreal Tomb is going to deliver is Troll Lord Games' involvement. And that's just going to be the core boxed set. I feel bad for those that went all-in on the stretch goals, because those are never going to happen.

I'm sure this is it. Just a Gygax archaic and obscure vocabulary word, like his dad used to use.
 

J.Quondam

CR 1/8
Charging $50 to play in a game run by LaNasa or Darrick is an absolute joke, and one more shameless grift in a long line.
I wonder how many of these, umm, premium gaming experiences they've managed to sell? After watching enduring the droning video launching his WotC poutrage, I'd be especially interested to hear just how, umm, engaging LaNasa in particular is as a DM.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess that DM LaNasa is probably not $50 engaging.
 

Wilphe

Adventurer
Depends if you think something that at best would make AB3's tales look like Critical Roll is "engaging"

But like most such things probably better to hear about 2nd hand than actually experience
 

J.Quondam

CR 1/8
But like most such things probably better to hear about 2nd hand than actually experience
Yeah, you're probably right.
But.... hmmm... Maybe I'll set up a GoFundMe to beg for cash to go hire session!
Most of the proceeds will go toward treating the subsequent PTSD, of course.
 

I think I'd pay the $50 to not have to game with them!

I wonder how many of these, umm, premium gaming experiences they've managed to sell? After watching enduring the droning video launching his WotC poutrage, I'd be especially interested to hear just how, umm, engaging LaNasa in particular is as a DM.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess that DM LaNasa is probably not $50 engaging.

The Indiegogo campaign appears to be slowly creeping towards $6,000. It may have plateaued, because I can't imagine that the Venn Diagram of retrograde grognards and persons unable to see it as the grift it is required to contribute to it can be all that plentiful.
 


Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
I wonder how many of these, umm, premium gaming experiences they've managed to sell? After watching enduring the droning video launching his WotC poutrage, I'd be especially interested to hear just how, umm, engaging LaNasa in particular is as a DM.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess that DM LaNasa is probably not $50 engaging.
Monsters in his typical dungeon crawl probably include:

a gibbering mouther
gas spores
defective modrons
ghostly warriors from the edge of the stars
a grits ooze
a wizard from a coastal region
 

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