Tuesdays are Supernatural!

[takyris]

Minor note, relating to the not-most-recent episode involving the shapeshifter (I'm a week behind due to a busy schedule and a lot of room on the DVR):

I really like the fighting in the show so far. When Sammy fought "Dean", it felt real to me -- at least in the sense of two people with training trying to hurt each other. A few kicks, but mostly when they'd actually be useful, like knocking somebody back as opposed to kicking the head or silliness like that. I'm under no illusions that the two leads are brilliant martial artists, but the combination of decent acting (I really felt like they MEANT some of those swinging elbows, and the punches felt ANGRY, which was totally appropriate for the characters) and good editing made the two guys look like people I could legitimately believe spent a lot of their childhood learning to kill monsters.

 

[WizarDru]

Minor note, relating to the not-most-recent episode involving the shapeshifter (I'm a week behind due to a busy schedule and a lot of room on the DVR):

I really like the fighting in the show so far. When Sammy fought "Dean", it felt real to me -- at least in the sense of two people with training trying to hurt each other.

Yeah, I've liked the unarmed combat techniques I've seen used in the show so far. It's pretty clear that they both have had some form of training, however rudimentary. Possibly from their father, who gained some of the basics during his military service? The fighting looks like they use a specific technique or art, though I couldn't tell you which or what, if they are.

And as for the DVR thing...that's the whole point. Last night we watched last Thursday's episode of the Night Stalker, followed by a slightly-time delayed Supernatural...and then switched to the media box to watch an episode of an anime called Detective Academy Q, where they were trying to catch a Jack the Ripper copycat killer. Yeah, it was a dark night for TV Viewing.

 

[Steverooo]

The spirit was dispelled after the WHOLE body, INCLUDING the hook, were destroyed. Melting the hook didn't destroy him because the bones were still in an unmarked grave. He persisted when hook was melted because his bones were still intact. After Dean destroyed his mortal remains, the hook (now necklace) remained his sole form of investiture.

You're missing the point. When the hook was melted THE FIRST TIME, it should have destroyed the spirit's connection TO THE HOOK. Then, when the body was salted and burned, there should have been no more connection, and it should have been dispelled...

Now the explanation of salt being required might work, if we had seen Dean toss a handful into the furnace, along with the necklace, but I didn't see that, or hear anything mentioned about that. Did I miss that?

If not, then the episode doesn't "work". The fluff may be OK, for some, but the crunch is all wrong. They can do better!... and they SHOULD.

 

[Wayside]

Did I miss that?

Yes.

 

[D.Shaffer]

You're missing the point. When the hook was melted THE FIRST TIME, it should have destroyed the spirit's connection TO THE HOOK. Then, when the body was salted and burned, there should have been no more connection, and it should have been dispelled...

We're not missing it, we just dont agree with that assertation. It was a supernatural artifact by that point. Think of it as a cursed item. Simply melting it down and reforging it wouldnt necessarily break the link. Considering the hookman's origins as a priest, reforging it into a cross could even be seen as strengthening the link.

 

[WizarDru]

We're not missing it, we just dont agree with that assertation. It was a supernatural artifact by that point. Think of it as a cursed item. Simply melting it down and reforging it wouldnt necessarily break the link. Considering the hookman's origins as a priest, reforging it into a cross could even be seen as strengthening the link.

What he said. I mean, frankly, I consider there to be a much bigger gaffe in the episode which you're I'm assuming you're handwaving like I am, vis a vis the amount of silver in question (which I'm handwaving as his hook having been silvered, as opposed to actually being made purely of silver).

I'm not looking for Monster Manual entries, I'm looking for an entertaining myth. And most myths, especially these kind of undead/monster concepts, are generally very inconsistent and vague. As far as it appears to me, the process was this: priest buried sans hook; both retain some degree of essence; the hook is melted down, but doesn't loose it's power, because the core body is intact; dean destroys the body in the proper fashion, but it's an incomplete job, because the hook-cum-necklace is still intact; dean melts the necklace and the monster is destroyed.

The entire body wasn't covered in salt, just a large quantity of it. So I don't think putting salt on the cross was necessary. The Hook Man was already weakened that melting the cross would destroy him. I can see where that didn't work for you; it did for me.

I mean, the general format of the show is pretty clear:

1: Monster rears it's ugly head
2: Brothers investigate the occurence
3: Monster strikes again
4: Brothers formulate theory of nature of monster
5: Monster strikes again, invalidating theory
6: Brothers realize true nature of monster (or monster's motivations)
7: Brothers confront monster for final battle, having figured out it's vulnerability

In virtually every episode, the monster has a trick, and figuring out how the monster doesn't conform to their previous experience or myth is the challenge. So in part, we have to infer the nature of their methods by reverse engineering and their arguments over part 4 and 7.

Personally, I consider Supernatural one of the two best new shows this season, so take that with the grain of salt with which its offered.

 

[Mad Hatter]

The brothers just keep giving a real adventureer vibe as well. I have not seen a clothes change in the series at all. I like that. Especially in dnd when character don't change often and sleep in what they wear. I love this series.

 

[MojoGM]

In one of the episodes (don't recall which one because we had a bunch on TIVO and watched them as a marathon) Dead gives his cell phone #.

Now, whenever I hear a phone # on tv that doesn't begin with 555 I call it to see what it is.

Well, it was a voicemail for Dean, done by the actor...pretty cool.

I don't have the number here (I'm at work) but I think the paper I scribbled it down on is at home somewhere.

Gilmore Girls did a similar thing once, Luke gave his cell phone # and if you called it you heard the actor who plays him pitching for some charity.

Anyway, Djeta and I really like the show. It may be freak-of-the-week now, but they are probably doing this to set up the show and then throw twists by the end of the season.

I'll continue to TIVO it each week.

 

[warlord]

You had to salt the hook and melt it to kill the hook man not just melt it. You would've noticed that if you payed attention.

 

[Desdichado]

You had to salt the hook and melt it to kill the hook man not just melt it. You would've noticed that if you payed attention.

Actually, if you had been paying attention, you'd have noticed that Dean didn't salt the hook. He salted and burned the bones, and then he melted the necklace. No salt involved.

I'm also sceptical that an old cast iron stove could generate enough heat to melt silver, but I'll let that pass since I don't actually know one way or another.