Tumbling

[OldAzzDM]

If the character had dodge, mobility and used total defence to stand up, would you say there is a good chance that he might not get hit. i know this all depends on the level of his opp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

but does combat reflexes only allow to make only 1 AoO per opp. I didn't think you could make more than 1 AoO to the same opp.

It depends if 'opp' stands for 'opportunity' or 'opponent'.

In 3.5, Someone with Combat Reflexes can make more than one AoO against the same opponent, if there is more than one opportunity. For example, pick up weapon (AoO) and stand from prone (AoO) - he can take both, assuming his Dex is 12 or higher.

If the character had dodge, mobility and used total defence to stand up, would you say there is a good chance that he might not get hit. i know this all depends on the level of his opp.

Mobility doesn't apply - it only applies to AoOs for movement, not AoOs for standing from prone.

So your AC is better by +5 or +7 (+1 for Dodge, +4 for Total Defense, or +6 for Total Defense with 5+ ranks in Tumble). There's a better chance he might not get hit.

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

It would depend on how important your dex bonus is, and the guy who knocked you down having combat reflexes and high probability of knocking you down again.

You retain your Dex bonus while prone.

Common interpretation these days seems to be that the AoO provoked by standing from prone occurs while you are still prone, so while you still have the -4 AC penalty, you can't be tripped by the AoO. (It's debated, of course )

-Hyp.

 

[Delemental]

but does combat reflexes only allow to make only 1 AoO per opp. I didn't think you could make more than 1 AoO to the same opp.

Well, I'm not sure if by "opp." you mean "opponent", or if you meant "opportunity".

Normally, you only get to make one AoO per combat round... per round, not per opponent. If your foe is provoking AoO's every round, then you can take the swing each time. But even if your foe does two or more things in the same round that would provoke an AoO, you only get one swing.

A character with Combat Reflexes can make AoO's multiple times against the same foe in a round, if that foe is taking multiple actions that provoke them. So if you stand up, and then cast a spell (nondefensively), the CR character gets two whacks at you (one for standing, one for casting).

But in the situation you described earlier, it wouldn't matter even if your opponent didn't have Combat Reflexes. You have yourself retrieving an item in round 2, and standing in round 3. Two separate rounds, so your opponent only needs his one AoO per round.

 

[Delemental]

Mobility doesn't apply - it only applies to AoOs for movement, not AoOs for standing from prone.

Though the Mobility feat does say it applies when moving "within a threatened area" and the Stand Up action is a Move action....

I actually agree with you on this, just thought I'd make the observation.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Though the Mobility feat does say it applies when moving "within a threatened area" and the Stand Up action is a Move action....

So's loading a Light Crossbow. Mobility doesn't help with the AoO you provoke there either.

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

But in the situation you described earlier, it wouldn't matter even if your opponent didn't have Combat Reflexes. You have yourself retrieving an item in round 2, and standing in round 3. Two separate rounds, so your opponent only needs his one AoO per round.

Well, it was TheGogmagog who first brought up Combat Reflexes, in his own proposed scenario of get-weapon-and-stand-up in the same round.

-Hyp.

 

[Delemental]

Well, it was TheGogmagog who first brought up Combat Reflexes, in his own proposed scenario of get-weapon-and-stand-up in the same round.

Ah, missed that. I just saw that OldAzzDM had mentioned it.

 

[Caliban]

Was any consensus ever reached on the "Go from Prone to Kneeling, and then from Kneeling to Standing" scenario? It effectively allows you to stand without provoking an AoO as a full round action, if it works.

I don't really have a firm opinion on it, rules-wise.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Was any consensus ever reached on the "Go from Prone to Kneeling, and then from Kneeling to Standing" scenario? It effectively allows you to stand without provoking an AoO as a full round action, if it works.

Well, neither of those are actually defined actions... so it's not clear if either of them provoke by themselves...

-Hyp.