I hear you, man. To add insult to injury, he chews gum with his mouth open the whole time - smack, smack, smack. I was about to lose my mind. Having said all that, he's a decent guy.. just a dope sometimes.
Two fighter questions: mark, footwork lure.
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I hear you, man. To add insult to injury, he chews gum with his mouth open the whole time - smack, smack, smack. I was about to lose my mind. Having said all that, he's a decent guy.. just a dope sometimes.
abyssaldeath
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I feel your pain. Nothing aggravates me more then someone who doesn't read the books, but insists they know what they are talking about because they heard it somewhere once. The least they could do is at least make some kind of an effort to learn the rules. Even if that effort consists of asking some one to look it up. Grrrrrrr
The gum chewing thing just adds insult to injury.Considering the number of people who I have seen try to refute relativity without knowing freshman physics, I have to disagree. Ignorance is sneaky the same way an ogre is sneaky when it hides behind a sapling
Just to add a little fuel to the fire.. so at one point, the same guy had a +1 weapon and a total attack bonus of +12. After a battle, he got a +3 weapon and proceeded to try to use a +15 attack bonus. He's a mess.
Anyway, I'm sure most of us can agree that it's OK to make some mistakes as long as people accept the corrections when they're offered. He has done this fairly well, so I can't kick him around too much (except maybe for failing to read any of the source material, even after the DM gave him PDFs).
Anyway, I'm sure most of us can agree that it's OK to make some mistakes as long as people accept the corrections when they're offered. He has done this fairly well, so I can't kick him around too much (except maybe for failing to read any of the source material, even after the DM gave him PDFs).
Doctor Proctor
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While it sucks that he hasn't really learned the system very well, you have a bit of an opportunity here. Since he has the materials maybe you should talk to him and help him work on his character design more? Perhaps the DM might even cut him a little slack and allow for some re-specs to be done beyond the "retrain one thing per level"? If he knows what he wants to do with his character then knowing the rules better will help to do those things and might make it more fun him to play (and allow him to contribute better).
DracoSuave
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Well, other than the comment of 'every player should have a PHB' I should say the character builder DOES, in fact, have the rules text for Combat Challenge in it.
Dr_Ruminahui
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Doesn't print them out with the character, unfortunately, and one has to specifically go looking for them if one didn't read them the first time when building the character.
That said, perhaps (and this may not be feasible) it would be best to sit down with him at a computer with his characterbuilder file open and go through everything to make sure he reads it.
I'm pretty sure the mistake arose when playing with a palladin (who do mark with a minor, though one target), a swordmage (ditto), or a warden (as discussed above) and then thinking that all defenders worked the same way while also confusing the rule in question. Understandable, but it would be nice if he took a more hands on approach to learning the rules.
That said, perhaps (and this may not be feasible) it would be best to sit down with him at a computer with his characterbuilder file open and go through everything to make sure he reads it.
I'm pretty sure the mistake arose when playing with a palladin (who do mark with a minor, though one target), a swordmage (ditto), or a warden (as discussed above) and then thinking that all defenders worked the same way while also confusing the rule in question. Understandable, but it would be nice if he took a more hands on approach to learning the rules.
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Good thought, but probably not going to happen. We *might* have been able to do his back when he first started playing, but he's many sessions in now (he plays in other games besides the one with me), so it would probably be pretty awkward (seem condescending). Easier to try to fix his errors in game (where possible) or in friendly follow-up e-mails.
I think you are right - I think an inexperienced DM in one of his LFR games (they rotate DM duties) probably conflated or confused the marking abilities of different defenders during one of the guy's turns. Another possibilty is that he witnessed said abilities and didn't realize they were a function of class features - not of marks per se. Yes, would be nice if he took a more hands-on approach, but he's a nice enough guy (apart from the gum) and a decent player in some other regards (always on time, for example), so we'll just have to bear with him during the on-the-job training.
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Starfox
Hero
Did you just describe 90% of humanity there?
Haha, I think so - including myself!
