OGL Umbran asked what actions would it take for WOTC to 'make it right' for me. Here ya go!...

In other threads, folks (such as moderator @Umbran) have asked those, such as I, who are embarking on a lifetime boycott of WOTC/Ha$bro products: exactly what actions would it take from WOTC in order to 'make it right,' and thus for me to continue as a patron of D&D-branded products.

That is a tall order. Yet I meditated on it last night, and brought this question to my community service this morning. And, upon reflection, this is what it would take, as a complete suite of amendatory, deeply trust-building actions.

WOTC, take these actions of amends:
  1. Promptly release OGL 1.0b which includes only two changes: 1) the word "irrevocable", and 2) also say something like: "WOTC perpetually and irrevocably affirms that the previous version of this license, OGL 1.0a, is likewise irrevocable." (Note: I understand that You (WOTC) do not wish to release 6E under OGL1.0a or OGL1.0b. I'm actually okay with that. See further down this post.)
  2. Promptly re-issue the 3.0 SRD, 3.5 SRD, d20 Modern SRD, and 5.0 SRD with OGL 1.0b documentation.
  3. As soon as the ORC License is on-line, release those SRDs under ORC as well.
  4. Announce that the following SRDs will be released soon: an OD&D SRD, a Holmes BASIC SRD, 1E SRD (including 1.5E UA), B/X SRD (Moldvay/Cook BASIC edition), BECMI SRD (Mentzer BASIC edition), Rules Cyclopedia/Wrath of the Immortals SRD (Allston BASIC edition), 2E SRD (including the 2.5E "Players/DMs Option" system, as errata'ed in DRAGON mag), and 4E SRD. Extract the rules content for each of those editions, and release these under both OGL 1.0b and ORC documentation.
  5. Open DMs Guild for content creation using any of the Legacy Editions. They are all D&D. Just make clear search tags for each edition. And make an easily discernible Community Content logo for each edition, for placing on the cover. Besides DMs Guild revenue, the Legacy Editions will also still indirectly bring in money for WOTC via classic PDF sales, and via a general flourishment of the gaming culture, which fuels sales of non-edition-specific stuff, such as D&D novels, D&D t-shirts, D&D media, etc.
  6. Mongolian / Asian "yellow loonies"? And Native American "red orcs"? WTF. Stop making money off the crudest racism. Write an amendatory 6E web-enhancement for the most racist book you've ever published: GAZ10: The Orcs of Thar. You have been making money off this PDF since 2014, and you even updated the file in 2020. The milquetoast boilerplate disclaimer You posted on the DriveThruRPG page is not enough. And don't split the community by yanking it and 'punishing' me as a 'censor' for bringing it up. As a person who has done graduate work in Native American Studies at Montana State University, as a speaker of Chinese who has lived in China, and student of linguistics, I researched the real world origins of the 'comedic' racist Native American- and East Asian-themed parodies contained therein: here, with key follow-up points here and here, with a call for concrete actions of amends laid out beginning here, and continuing here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here, with the steps of amends re-summarized here, continuing here, yet another recap of the amends steps here, followed by a comparative analysis with later Native-American themed portrayals in the AD&D Savage Coast. ....Yet when I posted my research on ENWorld, and called for You to make amends, You ignored this call. For amends, You must have a cultural team review the book in detail, and author a detailed scholarly analysis of the insensitivities therein, along with a revised perspective and rendition (even if only in barest outline) of the Land of Thar as it exists in the 6E reality, as a web-enhancement which is forever bundled with the GAZ10 PDF. And either change the price of the product to "free," or perpetually donate all proceeds (including all past sales of this racist PDF, dating back to 2014) to a relevant charity (I recommend Lakota Waldorf School). I understand that some folks suggest that the latter option might be offensive to the recipient (to receive monies for sales of such an ugly product), but You could ask the school and see.
  7. Release the Jeff Grubb-authored vaporware AD&D 2E Mystara Worldbook manuscript onto DMs Guild as a free download. I myself launched the petition for that. When I wrote to Your customer service reps about the signatures we'd gathered, we were completely ignored. Then, when the webmaster of Official Mystara Fansite (who has Grubb's manuscript in hand) contacted You, You told him it was okay to post it, but then, once he announced it on ENWorld as a news-story, You backtracked and said no. What a souring breach of trust. It's the little things.
  8. As an action of goodwill, take the one major D&D world which has (AFAIK) been completely unmentioned in any 5E product: Aebrynis, the World of the BIRTHRIGHT campaign setting...and, as a gift to the community, release all BIRTHRIGHT products (including novels) into the Public Domain. Reserving only certain terms contained therein, such as "Dungeons & Dragons." Switch the classic BIRTHRIGHT PDFs at DMs Guild to "pay what you will."
  9. I reserve the right to add and edit in more actions as I think of them!
Suggestion for the license regime for 6E:
  1. I understand that, minus the malice-tinged B.S., one main thing You were trying to do is to basically turn all of 6E into the DMs Guild model, but with now the garden enclosing the use of the 6E rules set (not only the setting IP), so that there's a clearly defined play-space, and everyone (including WOTC) is free to draw ingredients from the pot and re-use them. And everyone knows that up-front. Well, then just do that. DMs Guild is great, for what it does. Don't make an OGL for 6E at all. Just enclose all 6E Content Creation in DMs Guild and/or clearly-defined playspace extensions thereof: the "D&D Sixth Edition Compatibility License" (6ECL; don't dishonestly call it an "OGL"! Don't pretend that a Compatibility License is a Open Game License.) and also the "D&D Fan Content Policy." Done. Don't f*** with the existing OGL and SRDs. (You'll still glean income directly and indirectly from a flourishing of Legacy D&D editions.)
Tonal suggestions:
  1. In regard to the twisted gaslighting verbiage found in Your recent statements. Find a wordsmith who is not emotionally tone deaf, and who can speak straightly (= honestly and forthrightly), out of both sides of their mouth. If You had something actually trustworthy and heartening to say, there would be no shortage of WOTC creatives willing to step up as serve as the face and voice of amends, rather than as the Mouth of Sauron.
  2. Refrain from smiling shark-like "Corpor-UwU-tist" verbiage in future legal documents.
  3. I strongly recommend You refrain from using the legitimate struggle for human and civil rights as a marketing ploy and smoke-screen for Your shameless greed.
As far as calls to fire one, two, or three executives:
  1. Having experienced the struggle to pay rent and keep the wolf from the door (while patronizing Your over-priced products for 40 years), I am one person who is not eager to call for anyone to lose their livelihood. Including executive bigshots. Yet I am astounded at the threads of intertwined ignorance (incompetence) and malice which led to a decision to burn and destroy ten years of hard-won goodwill. Yet if the actions which I outlined above were taken, it would show that whoever was behind those ignorant+malicious actions, also has the capacity for wisdom and human 'repentance' (if that's a fitting word). Under these outlined conditions, those one, two, or three executives would be free to again go about their daily work, perhaps even at Hasbro. I'm sure, at a personal level, these are fine human beings, and at a professional level, have some awesome skill sets. Probably best to keep a workmanlike low profile for the next decade.
If You (WOTC) wish for further guidance, You know where to find Me. Betta make it quick!
In the meantime, I'm rolling out a lifetime boycott of new WOTC/Ha$bro products. And I told all my players as well. I won't be developing any player network for You over-paid backstabbers anymore. Rather, we are switching entirely to ORC-allied creators.

-Travis Henry, Dungeon Master since 1983
CEO of Twelvefold Works Publishing
Creator of the "Malice of the Three-Headed Giant" meme:
 
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aco175

Legend
If You (WOTC) wish for further guidance, You know where to find Me. Betta make it quick!
In the meantime, I'm rolling out a lifetime boycott of new WOTC/Ha$bro products. And I told all my players as well. I won't be developing any player network for You over-paid backstabbers anymore. Rather, we are switching entirely to ORC-allied creators.
While I agree with a lot of what you say, you are not making it easy for them to reach out the hand of friendship.

Sort of like this.
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tetrasodium

Legend
Supporter
I don't know & said as much in the other thread. For now I suspect it might require good behavior until the mcdm & project black flag ttrpgs start getting long in the tooth and what 6e ultimately looks like because I've alreadyt moved on from d&d5e several months ago.
 



I've noticed your mixed tonality in other threads, so thanks/meh...

Yeah. You are welcome. I hope you (and we) get as much of your list as possible. I think a few points so won't happen. Even in the best case.

I also think they screwed up a lot. I just think that a little more measured approach helps more. WotC should at least get the feeling that they can win us back. Otherwise we lose our leverage.
 

kunadam

Explorer
I would be happy with 1 and 2.
SRD for older editions is not needed. Retroclones are better, use those games.
As for 4e, WotC had the right to have a different model for that edition. If you need 4e ish rules, 13th Age has an SRD
No need to give anything to the community (your point 8) from their IP.
I have no problem with them being greedy, wanting a more closed system for 6e or keeping their IPs theirs.
I think most of the community, me included, was upset by the deauthorization of OGL1(a). If they do 1 and 2, then that is solved. And because it now has irrevocable, they cannot backtrack on it.
 

MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
My conditions are simple. The more new ogl 1.0 products get released, the more D&D and MTG stuff I'll buy. If things in the MTG front also improve, I'll go back to buying ponies, transformers and Hasbro games. As a corollary, if no more new 1.0 material is available for sale, I'll only buy older D&D and MTG stuff, preferabily from second hand, and will take my money to Yugioh and PF2. (Who am I kidding? I'll likely go to BRP and DSA instead) And all of the money I spend on toys will go to Mattel, Bandai, and LEGO. The kid is nearing teenagehood so this will get easier over time.

If this is satisfied I'll also go back to the One D&D playtest, and if that is good, I'll buy the core books, the starter set(s) and whatever cool crossover they put forward.

If in addition, the licensing is good enough (without poison pills and without draconian clauses tha legally prevent me from signing up in good faith. -copyright laws in my country are onerous -), I'll also cobtribute material to help support the new edition.
 


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My conditions are simple. The more new ogl 1.0 products get released, the more D&D and MTG stuff I'll buy. If things in the MTG front also improve, I'll go back to buying ponies, transformers and Hasbro games. As a corollary, if no more new 1.0 material is available for sale, I'll only buy older D&D and MTG stuff, preferabily from second hand, and will take my money to Yugioh and PF2. (Who am I kidding? I'll likely go to BRP and DSA instead) And all of the money I spend on toys will go to Mattel, Bandai, and LEGO. The kid is nearing teenagehood so this will get easier over time.

If this is satisfied I'll also go back to the One D&D playtest, and if that is good, I'll buy the core books, the starter set(s) and whatever cool crossover they put forward.

If in addition, the licensing is good enough (without poison pills and without draconian clauses tha legally prevent me from signing up in good faith. -copyright laws in my country are onerous -), I'll also cobtribute material to help support the new edition.
I respect your approach. I like hearing how each individual is sifting out their personal ethical practices.
What country are you based in?
 

DEFCON 1

Legend
Supporter
Years ago, I made a faux press announcement and website which showed WOTC opening up their world/setting IP to commercial 3PP. I was roundly dogpiled, and the thread locked. Unanimously, every EN Worlder said that it was an IMPOSSIBLE FANTASY.

Soon afterward, WOTC announced DMs Guild.
And it's only taken 8 years for a handful of their setting IP to be released to those who are willing to play within the DMs Guild, with the other handful still locked off.

And if all those things on your list are your requirements for you to play D&D again... it makes me wonder why you were playing D&D even before the 1.1 OGL was released, since most of them weren't being done beforehand either. So apparently WotC hasn't been making things right for you this entire time?
 

GetInTheHole

Explorer
Whew. That's a lot.

Personally, I'm only a collector these days. I have not played D&D since the mid-80s. I have all of 1stEd on my bookshelf. Over Covid, I have all of 5e, every book. However, my threshold for "what crap I'll deal with" is very low. I've given up better hobbies for less. My name is a golf moniker and I've given up more golf over less than WOTC shenanigans than I can shake a stick at.

I moved to collecting more OSR stuff than anything. I have very little motivation to continue to support 5e/1D&D.

Will I? Maybe. But It's not because of some "I can't live without it" motivation.
 

And it's only taken 8 years for a handful of their setting IP to be released to those who are willing to play within the DMs Guild, with the other handful still locked off.
Yeah, it's a bummer that Mystara and Greyhawk (and others) are still locked down. But, in the scheme of things, it was amazing that so many worlds have been opened up for commercial publishing! (Nearly) unthinkable prior to that.
And if all those things on your list are your requirements for you to play D&D again... it makes me wonder why you were playing D&D even before the 1.1 OGL was released, since most of them weren't being done beforehand either. So apparently WotC hasn't been making things right for you this entire time?
#1 is essentially the basic requirement, which most people are calling for.

#2 If a 1.0b is issued, it seems to me, that it logically and legally follows that the previous WotC SRDs would need to be re-stamped with a 1.0b.

#3 (release the SRDs under ORC) and #4 (release SRDs for the earlier editions) were not thought up by me, but have been voiced by various posters in various forums and twitter. As extra proofs of goodwill.

#5 is a no-brainer, if WOTC wants to make money off of previous editions. If they had done this years ago, much of the money that went into the OSR publishers would've instead gone into their cut of DMs Guild Legacy Edition 3P content. I guess WOTC figured D&D players were too stupid to sort through which edition of D&D each DMs Guild product is made for.

#6 and #7 are personal hurts I have experienced from WOTC's apathy. Why not add them to my list of amends? It's my list, not yours. Write your own.

#8 (gifting the World of Aebrynis to the Commons) is a creative 'extra-healing' gesture which I thought up. I mean, why not? Can you imagine any future in which BIRTHRIGHT becomes a significant source of income for WOTC?

#9...And there are actually many other things which I left out.

In regard to your suggestion that I must not have been happy with WOTC before this backstabbing...

…PLEASE NOTE: These 9 points are not a bare list of actions which would return the situation to some sort of previous status quo, but what extra-healing actions would be necessary to dispel the fact that I now know they are dishonest greedy gaslighting backstabbing bastards.

Someone in another thread said: "It takes 5 actions of goodwill to heal 1 breach of trust. And that's just to get to a neutral level. It doesn't address what is necessary to move forward into genuine trust and warmth."

My 9 points go into what extra-healing is necessary, to show that the execs, as human beings, can ethically change.
 
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My perspective is that WotC acted out of either greed or thoughtlessness and imperiled the livelihood of numerous friends of mine. It is akin to either driving drunk or intentionally trying to run someone over.

Whoever was behind the wheel needs to get their license taken away. The company as a whole can, y'know, keep using the car, but tell me who was driving and punish them. Fire them. I want everyone as high up the chain as the decision making process went to tell me who had what level of involvement in the decision making process, and then I want proportional punishment for those people harming my friends.

I'm tired of businesses being seen as unassailable entities which cannot be held accountable for the harm they did simply because they were doing it in the name of profit. We ain't Ferengi.
 

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