Dragonlance Unconverted Dragonlance creatures

[Echohawk]

From Dragons of Triumph (DL14):

• School of Salmon - Animal

From Dragon Dawn (DLA1):

• Hurdu - Humanoid

From Otherlands (DLR1):

• Spirit, Wisdom - Deathless

From Dwarven Kingdoms of Krynn:

• Calnar Horse - Animal
• Raptor Birds - Animal

From Seeds of Chaos:

• White Tiger - Animal

From The Sylvan Veil:

• Irda Tree - Unique Plant

From Rise of the Titans:

• Darken Owl - Magical Beast

 

[Mortis]

From Dragons of Truth (DL13):

• Revenants

Now I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a lot about Dragonlance but is the Dragonlance revenant much different from the Faerunian revenant (Monsters of Faerun) or the Mystaran revenant (a conversion of which can be found here.)?

Regards
Mortis

 

[Wolf72]

Draconian, Sesk can be done by applying the proto-creature template to the Sivak Draconian (BoK)

Zhakar dwarves are dark dwarves as per DLCS

both types of lizard man are just that, lizard folk/men ... change culture and civilization and you're pretty much set

 

[Echohawk]

is the Dragonlance revenant much different from the Faerunian revenant (Monsters of Faerun) or the Mystaran revenant

Now that I check, no not really . The revenants in DL13 are "in most respects identical to those found in the Fiend Folio", which went on to become the revenant template in MoF. I'll drop them from the list, thanks!

 

[Echohawk]

Draconian, Sesk can be done by applying the proto-creature template to the Sivak Draconian (BoK)

I agree that that would be a good way to build a Sesk draconian, but I can't seem to find any confirmation of that in the BoK, so I'm hesitant to remove this one.

Zhakar dwarves are dark dwarves as per DLCS

Hmmm... they might be a type of dark dwarf, but I can't find any mention of them on page 14 of the DLCS. Both the Thiewar and Daegar are mentioned there, and they both have separate entries in the MC4. And the Zhakar were small creatures in the MC4, unlike their cousins, so I don't think the dark dwarf racial traits in the DLCS would work for them.

both types of lizard man are just that, lizard folk/men ... change culture and civilization and you're pretty much set

The Jarak-Sinn and Bakali seem to have abilities that normal lizardfolk don't: venomous spittle and "squirt blood" (which doesn't seem to be explained in MC4). Not to mention that the Jarak-Sinn are large creatures, rather than medium. I don't think they can quite be counted as updated to 3.X yet.

 

[Cam Banks]

Echohawk, do you own all of the MWP products? Races of Ansalon, Bestiary of Krynn (revised), Dragons of Krynn, etc?

A lot of these are either already converted (with a new name) or not considered part of continuity (like the astral dragons and kodragons) and thus won't be converted.

Trust me, we've been over lists like this with a fine toothed comb in the past.

Cheers,
Cam

 

[Ravenmantle]

The death statue from DL12 is featured in Dragons of Spring . But yeah, Cam's right. Many of the creatures on the list have been converted to D&D 3e or dropped from official continuity.

Ravenmantle

 

[Echohawk]

Echohawk, do you own all of the MWP products? Races of Ansalon, Bestiary of Krynn (revised), Dragons of Krynn, etc?

Yes, all of them

A lot of these are either already converted (with a new name) or not considered part of continuity (like the astral dragons and kodragons) and thus won't be converted.

Are you able you point out the critters that have been converted with new names? I have checked all the MWP Dragonlance products for creatures, but I could easily have missed updates if the creatures have new names.

 

[Ravenmantle]

The following monsters can be found in Bestiary of Krynn Revised (as well as the original Bestiary of Krynn): Vapor imp (formerly known as the Blood Sea imp), chaos spawn (carrion wretch, cedar wretch, sand wretch), shadow wight, Urkhan worm (also known as tractor worm). As I mentioned above, the death statue can be found in Dragons of Spring.

The astral dragon is no longer considered part of official continuity and I think the ice bear is just a standard polar bear or perhaps a dire or advanced version of the polar bear.

Ravenmantle

 

[Cam Banks]

Death Statues - Construct / Dragons of Spring
School of Salmon - Animal Swarm
Bear, Ice - Animal / Dragons of Winter (used advanced polar bears)
Dragon, Astral, Unmated - Dragon / No longer in continuity
Dwarf, Zakhar - Humanoid / Races of Ansalon, Dark Dwarf
Imp, Blood Sea - Monstrous Humanoid / Bestiary of Krynn (renamed Vapor Imp)
Ogre (of Krynn), Orughi - Giant / Races of Ansalon, use half-ogre plus aquatic traits
Shimmerweed - Plant / Now a hazard; Key of Destiny errata supplement
Draconian, Sesk - Dragon / Use proto-creature + Sivak
Hurdu - Humanoid / Not converted, use lizard folk
Curotai - Aberration / No longer in continuity
Dragon, Spider - True Dragon / No longer in continuity
Ice Vampire - Undead / Not converted
Spider Horse - Aberration / No longer in continuity
Weapon, Living - Construct / Not converted
White Tiger - Animal / Use advanced tiger (in this case, it's a shapeshifted wizard)
Chaos Sentinel - Elemental / Not converted
Shadow-Wights - Undead / Bestiary of Krynn
Cedar Spawn - Plant / Bestiary of Krynn, renamed Cedar Wretch
Sand Spawn - Elemental / Bestiary of Krynn, renamed Sand Wretch
Scavenger Spawn - Undead / Bestiary of Krynn, renamed Carrion Wretch
Darken Owl - Magical Beast / Giant Owl variant
Tractor Worm - Vermin / Bestiary of Krynn, renamed Urkhan Worm

Cheers,
Cam

 

[Cam Banks]

The astral dragon is no longer considered part of official continuity and I think the ice bear is just a standard polar bear or perhaps a dire or advanced version of the polar bear.

Right. There were a lot of creatures we never bothered to convert because they were, for all intents and purposes, an old creature with some random extra thing added that wasn't really all that exciting.

One of the cool things is that the original modules were a haven for MM2 and FF creatures from 1st edition. Literally dozens and dozens of weird and wonderful monsters from those books that hardly saw use anywhere else.

Cheers,
Cam

 

[Echohawk]

Brilliant, thanks for the updates Ravemantle and Cam. I've removed a whole bunch of creatures from the list. (But not the ones removed from continuity because, technically, they remain unconverted creatures...)

Cam, I can't see the shimmerweed anywhere in the KoD errata document. What am I missing?

 

[Big Mac]

Thanks to Cam and Ravenmantle for coming here to help.

A lot of these are either already converted (with a new name) or not considered part of continuity (like the astral dragons and kodragons) and thus won't be converted.

...and...

Dragon, Astral, Unmated - Dragon / No longer in continuity
Curotai - Aberration / No longer in continuity
Dragon, Spider - True Dragon / No longer in continuity
Spider Horse - Aberration / No longer in continuity

I know that a few things (like Wild Elves) are not treated as "official" anymore, but there is bound to be someone out there who wants to use the few monsters that MWP and the Whitestone Council don't like. (Bad Dragonlance is still Dragonlance and needs your love as much as good Dragonlance! )

How about these get converted, but have a warning note added to them to let people know that they conflict with other elements of the Dragonlance universe? That way fans can make up their own mind.

...and if Echohawk is willing to do all the crunchy work, you can leave DL's "ugly monsters" to him and send all the fans of these creatures over here! It seems like a win-win scenario to me.

Dwarf, Zakhar - Humanoid / Races of Ansalon, Dark Dwarf

What about the size issue raised by Echohawk? Should 3.X Zakhar Dwarves be pumped up to normal Dark Dwarf size or should the Dark Dwarf stats be adjusted down to create small size creatures?

Shimmerweed - Plant / Now a hazard; Key of Destiny errata supplement

Here is the link to save Echohawk time:
Errata: Key of Destiny

Hurdu - Humanoid / Not converted, use lizard folk
Ice Vampire - Undead / Not converted
Weapon, Living - Construct / Not converted
Chaos Sentinel - Elemental / Not converted

Aha! So there are still a few that need to be done. I don't feel quite so bad about the half-a-million unconverted SJ monsters now.

I didn't see Hurdu mentioned. Is it an alternative name for Fastclaw and Warclaw versions of the Zhakar Lizards. I don't have Dwarven Kingdoms of Krynn, so haven't heard of them.

 

[Big Mac]

Cam, I can't see the shimmerweed anywhere in the KoD errata document. What am I missing?

I can't see them either. And I can't see them mentioned in the Key of Destiny Errata thread in the Dragonlance Forums. (I've even looked for things with similar names, in case this was a name change issue.)

Did you mix this up with one of the other errata or do I need to go to Specsavers?

 

[Dragonhelm]

Also, check with the Dragonlance Nexus Bestiary to see if any of the monsters in question have been converted there.

If you do convert any other DL monsters, please feel free to submit them to the Nexus.

 

[Echohawk]

Thanks Dragonhelm. I was able to eliminate five more from the list by checking the Nexus Bestiary. Only 13 unconverted creatures left for Dragonlance now.

 

[Big Mac]

If you do convert any other DL monsters, please feel free to submit them to the Nexus.

I'd actualy turn Dragonhelm's invitation around and make it a request, Echohawk. If you know of any conversions that are missing from the Nexus Bestiary, please submit them to the Nexus.

Dragonlance Nexus is the leading DL fan website (and according to the WotC forums it is the official Dragonlance website). People are going to go looking for conversions over there. While your own conversion project is a good place for people to look for all D&D monsters, it makes sense for Dragonlance Nexus to have a copy of everything possible.

 

[Cam Banks]

The Nexus is perfect for those monsters MWP wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, yes.

Echohawk - I'm somewhat misremembering. I know we had shimmerweed planned for Key of Destiny, but it looks like it never made it even into an errata document! I will see if I can find the original writeup and I'll pass it on to the Nexus.

Cheers,
Cam

 

[Dragonhelm]

Thanks Dragonhelm. I was able to eliminate five more from the list by checking the Nexus Bestiary. Only 13 unconverted creatures left for Dragonlance now.

Excellent! Glad I could be of help.

You might check out our forums at DragonlanceForums.com and see if you can get the community to give a hand. They love doing projects like this.

The Nexus is perfect for those monsters MWP wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, yes.

As always, I appreciate the support.

 

[Big Mac]

The Nexus is perfect for those monsters MWP wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, yes.

Dragonlance Nexus - built by tinker gnomes - run by gully dwarves!

You might check out our forums at DragonlanceForums.com and see if you can get the community to give a hand. They love doing projects like this.

I can highly recommend hunting down the threads in those forums that have fan artwork. There are a bunch of artists that are doing artwork for the Dragonlance Lexicon (Dragonlance Nexus's encyclopedia of all things DL) and the Dragonlance Nexus Bestiary. If you ask nicely they might make a picture of some of these unconverted Dragonlance critters.