Update -- Gaming wives, the ongoing saga!
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I tried to show this thread to my wife, but she didn't show as much interest! 
What did she think of it, anyway?
CRG: sounds like you're wife may be a real potential gaming convert. My wife, on the other hand, I think I could probably get to play a few times. To really become a gamer, though... I doubt it. Even I have to admit that she probably wouldn't really find it that much fun, because it's just not her kind of thing. Too much work behind the scenes for her, and the time committment is too much. I suppose I could do most of that work for her and only play every so often, but then she'd start to wonder what the point was (as frankly, would I.)
Although my wife has long ago accepted the idea of gaming and was actually fairly excited to find some guys here at church that I could game with, she really isn't likely to pick it up herself as a hobby anytime soon.
What did she think of it, anyway?CRG: sounds like you're wife may be a real potential gaming convert. My wife, on the other hand, I think I could probably get to play a few times. To really become a gamer, though... I doubt it. Even I have to admit that she probably wouldn't really find it that much fun, because it's just not her kind of thing. Too much work behind the scenes for her, and the time committment is too much. I suppose I could do most of that work for her and only play every so often, but then she'd start to wonder what the point was (as frankly, would I.)
Although my wife has long ago accepted the idea of gaming and was actually fairly excited to find some guys here at church that I could game with, she really isn't likely to pick it up herself as a hobby anytime soon.
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We made my wife's character last night. I talked to her about things like races and classes over the week, and last night before we went to sleep she said she wanted to play a half-elf cleric. I brought the PH to bed with me and she immediately cracked open the book and started devouring all the information on clerics. So much for all you worry worts that wanted me to sugar coat it!
We discussed the various options a little. The only thing she had trouble grasping was skills. She grasped alignment immediately... and chose chaotic good (how "newbie gamerish" is that!?
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We started going through PC gen and making her character. Most of the stuff was pretty straightforward. I explained feats to her as special things your character is good at that might be different between different characters of the same profession. I used the characters in Harry Potter as examples.
Anyway, when we started to go through the domains. She chose Corellon as a deity (convenient that, as the "demihuman" deities are the only ones in the book that I actually use in my game.) She zeroed in on good and protection as domains.
Here's where the min-maxing came in. I mentioned that War might be a good choice for her. I explained that it would give the character the ability to use a better weapon. She asked what types of weapons she could use, and I quickly summed up the simple weapons, but mentioned that full elves get longsword proficiency.
She latched on to that immediately, and decided she wanted to change the character to a full elf and stay with the domains she already had decided that she liked. (shrug)
We made my wife's character last night. I talked to her about things like races and classes over the week, and last night before we went to sleep she said she wanted to play a half-elf cleric. I brought the PH to bed with me and she immediately cracked open the book and started devouring all the information on clerics. So much for all you worry worts that wanted me to sugar coat it!
We discussed the various options a little. The only thing she had trouble grasping was skills. She grasped alignment immediately... and chose chaotic good (how "newbie gamerish" is that!?
)We started going through PC gen and making her character. Most of the stuff was pretty straightforward. I explained feats to her as special things your character is good at that might be different between different characters of the same profession. I used the characters in Harry Potter as examples.
Anyway, when we started to go through the domains. She chose Corellon as a deity (convenient that, as the "demihuman" deities are the only ones in the book that I actually use in my game.) She zeroed in on good and protection as domains.
Here's where the min-maxing came in. I mentioned that War might be a good choice for her. I explained that it would give the character the ability to use a better weapon. She asked what types of weapons she could use, and I quickly summed up the simple weapons, but mentioned that full elves get longsword proficiency.
She latched on to that immediately, and decided she wanted to change the character to a full elf and stay with the domains she already had decided that she liked. (shrug)
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I don't think it's munchkin to switch over to an elf just so you can use a longsword...
She's a cleric. That means heavy armor, generally. So she just got a dexterity bonus that will do little to no good. She also took a Constitution penalty, which hurts ANY player, especially a semi-front line character like a cleric. Granted, she can buff her own con later, but for now...
Besides...
Taking the Good domain -- or any of the "alignment" domains, really -- isn't min/max. Especially with a god that grants the war domain. Two free feats and a heap of good combat spells vs. a couple of good spells and a +1 to caster level on "Good" spells? Oh yeah, she's an evil min/max'er...
I'm just happy to hear that you found a new gamer to bring into the fold. Have fun!
She's a cleric. That means heavy armor, generally. So she just got a dexterity bonus that will do little to no good. She also took a Constitution penalty, which hurts ANY player, especially a semi-front line character like a cleric. Granted, she can buff her own con later, but for now...
Besides...
Taking the Good domain -- or any of the "alignment" domains, really -- isn't min/max. Especially with a god that grants the war domain. Two free feats and a heap of good combat spells vs. a couple of good spells and a +1 to caster level on "Good" spells? Oh yeah, she's an evil min/max'er...
I'm just happy to hear that you found a new gamer to bring into the fold. Have fun!
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Likely she hadn't really settled on that concept of a half-elf very strongly anyway, so it wasn't any real sacrifice to convert it to a full elf.
Still, sounds like fun! If I went to bed and saw my wife reading the PHB...
Still, sounds like fun! If I went to bed and saw my wife reading the PHB...
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wolff96 said:
I didn't say it was munchkin. I said it was min/max. Difference of degrees. She latched on to the concept of Good and Protection domains based on the basic concepts, not because of her abilities. But to let her character use a sword, she let her initial decision on race slide -- the difference between elf and half-elf probably wasn't that important to her.
See, for me, munchkinism is in part characterized by min/maxing to come up with the best character to the exculsion of character concept. She was just min/maxing to make her character a little better whilst maintaining a game concept she latched on to for little better reason than it appealed to her, which I see as different. In a way, she was being faithful to the parts of her evolving character concept that was most important to her.
It was also sort of interesting to see that she didn't assign one of her best score to charisma. I am really so used to that among female gamers that I considered it de rigeur for them.
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