Upper Krust, where are you? [Immortal's Handbook]

[Anubis]

Just to make sure I got Xun Huo right . . . You take the normal ability scores, +5 inherent bonus to each, and then +10 for becoming a god, correct?

 

[Anubis]

Hello again mate!







Remember a few posts ago when I mentioned I already had the ability score post typed, I actually had that at +10 at that stage, but I changed it when I saw how badass Pit Fiend and Solars become.



Thats the spirit!



The Divine Array is the (albeit unofficial) explanation from Rich Redman (co-writer of Deities & Demigods) for what happens to ability scores after Divine Ascension.

Technically it has its problems (some of which I outlined earlier).



No I had a temporary change of heart when I saw the stats for the Pit Fiend Quasi-deity. But you have to stand by your convictions.

Typical Human Ability Scores

15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8

After Divine Ascension (& 20 class levels)

30 (35), 29, 28, 27, 25, 23

Typical Pit Fiend Ability Scores

25, 13, 21, 20, 20, 16

After Divine Ascension +20HD (& Huge Size Increase)

48 (40), 28 (26), 36 (40), 35, 35, 31

WOTC Divine Array

40, 28, 25, 24, 24, 24

I still don't understand the Divine Array thing. What is it about? How does it work?

 

[Anubis]

Re: Re: Xun Huo

Okay. She has a lot of Epic items. Did she gain them through adventure or create them herself?

That's complicated. You see, when I originally went to Epic Levels, we were using the GenCon handout still. Thus, when the ELH came out, I basically had to completely remake her in order to adjust for the REAL Epic Level Rules.

As it is, I created the character from the previous level, took the 13,600,000 gp, and then "bought" all the items as her the DMG. Items that could be created cost 70% of the normal cost, etc. We just decided on the number of Epic Spells as a function of Kowledge (arcana) divided by 10. All extras I paid for from the money.

So basically, I originally did it all through adventuring, but had to "update" her for the ELH since I used the outdated rules from the handout.

Also, I had to take into account your stuff as well, UK.

Also she between 1 and 1.5 million WP.

You tease! Grrr . . . I can't use them until I get your book, dood!

Though watch your tail in an Anti-Magic Field!

In fact I would be very interested to she a brief resume of her in an AMF.

Ouch, she'd be screwed in an AMF . . . That's where most of her power comes from! Then again, all the "wizard" gods would be screwed in an AMF . . .

Or not. AMF only has a 10 ft. radius, so I'd stand back and Mordenkainen's Disjuction the candy ass who tried that. (Note to self, memorize Mordenkainen's Disjuction multiple times.)

I presume you mean the BoVD Orcus and the D&Dg Bahamut and Tiamat?

Orcus, no, I'm fighting the one that can be found on the EN World site.

As for Tiamat and Bahamut, yes, I'll be fighting their D&Dg selves. I'd squash the ones from MOTP easily. I'm still scared less about fighting Prismatic Dragons, though.

 

[Buddha the DM]

Here is a link to my Divine Ascension - House Rules .. I intend to use these until something more concrete comes out. Please note that the sample deity is still being worked on, but is nearly completed.

Upper_Krust: I'd appreciate any feedback that you'd care to give.

 

[Anubis]

Whoa! I'd say the requirements are WAY too strict. None of the deities in D&Dg fulfill any of the requirements they would've needed to become deities under your system, and the requirements also force players to waste feats on things they probably wouldn't otherwise get.

I'd say, at the very least, ditch all the requirements. The rules we need are the ones governing divine ascension itself, such as how much of this do you gain, etc.

 

[Anubis]

Xun Huo vs. Orcus

Ouch! This was an utter squash!

One on one, Xun Huo vs. Orcus, and it wasn't pretty.

Xun Huo crushed that little demon punk in three rounds.

Round 1: Xun Huo (always hasted) runs up, attacks using Iaijutsu Focus. Orcus hastes himself and summons a balor. Balor tries to full attack and misses.

Round 2: Xun Huo uses a Vampiric Touch [Enhance, Maximize, Empower x11] to suck out ALL of the balor's power, killing it instantly, then casts Destroy on Orcus for 39 damage. Orcus tries to attack and fails, then forgets Xun Huo is a GOD and tries energy drain, which also fails.

Round 3: Xun Huo casts a Vampiric Touch [Enhance, Maximize, Empower x14] for over 800 damage, then casts a Horrid Wilting [Enhance, Maximize, Empower x9] to finish him off, obliterating him.

Xun Huo got 4000 XP.

This has proven two things: 1) Epic Level Gods are freaking awesome, 2) Metamagic Feats should not be allowed to stack on top of themselves.

Whatcha think, guys? UK?

 

[Anubis]

Request

UK, could you please go read my thread I started on Empower Spell?

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21241

A lot of it is the same stuff I posted here, but I do have some more details examples over there, and some people will undoubtedly have replied over there by the time you get there.

I am asking you, seeing as you are so good with the rules, should stacking Empower Spell be allowed? It obviously gives Wizards, Sorcerers, and sometimes even Clerics an INSANE amount of power to where NO Fighter of ANY level could defeat them! Between Horrid Wilting and Vampiric Touch, Empower Spell is the most broken thing in the game!

Seriously, man, it's broken. Empower Spell should not be allowed to be stacked on top of itself . . . EVER . . . Input? Perhaps you'll add something about this to your book if there's room?

While we're on the subject of things broken, what is your stance on Harm/Heal?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Morning mate!

Just to make sure I got Xun Huo right . . . You take the normal ability scores, +5 inherent bonus to each, and then +10 for becoming a god, correct?

Yes (at least thats my favourite method).

Remember Inherant bonuses (from previous wishes etc.) don't stack.

The Divine Bonus could be broken down into a +60 ability score bonus (TOTAL). But I think +10 per ability score is easier and more useful in the long run.

 

[Upper_Krust]

I still don't understand the Divine Array thing. What is it about? How does it work?

With the Divine Array you get six set ability scores (which you can assign to any of your abilities). Its just like the Standard Array presented in the Dungeon Masters Guide (pg. 20).

Divine Array: 40, 28, 25, 24, 24, 24

eg. Using the Divine Array perhaps Xun Huo could have...

Str 24, Dex 28, Con 24, Int 40, Wis 25, Cha 24.

You still gain your bonus for class levels, and for Divine Rank.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi all!

Just wanted to let you know that I have to go out here*. I have read the rest of the posts and naturally I will get round to answering them when I get back.

*and pick up the ELH (finally) among other things.

See you later!