Upper Krust, where are you? [Immortal's Handbook]

[Cheiromancer]

Technically they still should; however they are missing the ability score increases (and one or two other minor powers).

Yeah, they do look kind of pathetic if you subtract 15 from all their stats, don't they?

Probably not quite ascended yet. Maybe the 9 choirs of angels are the first nine steps up the (10 step) ladder to quasi-divinity?

Similarly, Pit fiends are probably on the path to being quasi-deities themselves.

Just bought the Deities and Demigods book. I have your recommendation that gods receive a blanket reduction of 3 divine ranks, except for demi-gods, and that pantheon heads combined have a total of 4 ranks above 15. So 17 and 17 in a dualist pantheon, 16, 16 and 17 in the Olympic pantheon,... do I have that right?

Any other quick and dirty modifications you'd suggest?

 

[Anubis]

Okay, I think I'm ready now.

You make a Level 1 character with Divine Rank 0, and give it the wealth of a Level 11 character. I am, after all, trying to prove it to be ECL +10. Let's avoid the use of actual Worshipper Points for purposes of this test, if they would even apply in this case.

I will make a Level 11 party.

I'll soon start a thread over on the Fight Club Forum and we'll duke it out!

I'll post here when I open the thread.

 

[Melkor Lord Of ALL!]

Hmm, I won`t accept Set and DVR 15 and Oziris at 16. But my image of Set is more based on Conan books, first Fantasy books I have read, to which I have sentimental attitude. Set there was propably NE Greater Deity, DVR around 17 if not more. Oh, and snakes are cool.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello mate!

The gods are given hit points, a description of powers, basic combat statistics, and level equivalent ability for casting spells and fighting. To be honest, the gods are terribly written - I'm going to have to tread lightly to produce a version of them that is useful yet still true to their original format.

Give a single example (I only need the above information I think) and I will show you how to convert it.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey there mate!

Yeah, they do look kind of pathetic if you subtract 15 from all their stats, don't they?

Exactly.

Probably not quite ascended yet. Maybe the 9 choirs of angels are the first nine steps up the (10 step) ladder to quasi-divinity?

The Third Choir (weakest) comprises Devas; Planetars and Solars.

The description of the Elohim (one after Solars) is very like the Solar itself except with 4 wings and a flaming sword. So I may retain the core of the Solar statistics for that one.

Similarly, Pit fiends are probably on the path to being quasi-deities themselves.

I tend to think of all (intelligent) outsiders as being on the path to godhood - though I am still not convinced the Abominations should be beyond quasi-deity status. Initially I looked to giving outsiders divinity automatically:

ie.
20+HD = Quasi-deity
30+HD = Demigod
40+HD = Lesser God
60+HD = Intermediate God
80+HD = Greater God
etc.

But now that may need some tinkering with? The philosophy, if not the actual mechanics.

Just bought the Deities and Demigods book. I have your recommendation that gods receive a blanket reduction of 3 divine ranks, except for demi-gods,

Yes. That way there is a point to having the Intermediate Status.

and that pantheon heads combined have a total of 4 ranks above 15. So 17 and 17 in a dualist pantheon,

Yes.

16, 16 and 17 in the Olympic pantheon,... do I have that right?

Well I would advocate Hades and Poseidon as being Intermediate Gods. While they are Zeus brothers, at no point do they head the pantheon, nor do they share power.

However, naturally its up to the individual DMs to assign as they wish.

Any other quick and dirty modifications you'd suggest?

The number of deities (Demi/Lesser/Inter: not counting quasi-deities) in the Pantheon is equal to the Divine Rank of its most powerful god.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello mate!

Okay, I think I'm ready now.

You make a Level 1 character with Divine Rank 0, and give it the wealth of a Level 11 character. I am, after all, trying to prove it to be ECL +10.

If it was ECL+10 then you would be creating a party of 7th-level characters.

I'm saying its ECL+14 therefore I get 15th-level NPC equipment.

Let's avoid the use of actual Worshipper Points for purposes of this test, if they would even apply in this case.

Okay.

I will make a Level 11 party.

I'll soon start a thread over on the Fight Club Forum and we'll duke it out!

I'll post here when I open the thread. [/B][/QUOTE]

Sure.

What distance apart are we starting? I'll let you pick.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Melkor mate!

Hmm, I won`t accept Set and DVR 15 and Oziris at 16. But my image of Set is more based on Conan books, first Fantasy books I have read, to which I have sentimental attitude. Set there was propably NE Greater Deity, DVR around 17 if not more. Oh, and snakes are cool.

Well thats still viable.

Once Ra abdicates, Osiris becomes Pantheon Head. Remember also that at one point Set kills Osiris and chops him up - presumably becoming the Pantheon Head until Osiris gets put back together again. From that juncture onward I would say Sets brush with Divinity gives him DR16 and Osiris risen is DR18.

 

[Necropolis]

Hi upper krust !
can you give me the list of monsters from your upcoming book ? with the CRS ?
and what about the release date for the book something as changed about it ?
thanks

 

[The Serge]

U_K:

Some questions (and sorry if you've already addressed these).

Where do you place the upper Angelic Choirs? Are Arch-angels already gods to you, are they Advanced Solars, are they Advanced Solars with a DvR, or are they something altogether different?

Second, if Posiedon and Hades should be Intermediate gods to you, what should Athena and Hera be?

Thanks!

 

[Anubis]

If it was ECL+10 then you would be creating a party of 7th-level characters.

I'm saying its ECL+14 therefore I get 15th-level NPC equipment.

Huh? You lost me now. ECL and CR are the same here, so a Level 1 character with Divine Rank 0 at ECL +10 would be ECL 11, and thus CR 11. A CR 11 creature is a challenge for four Level 11 characters, not four Level 7 characters.

I was under the assumption that I would be making "PCs" and you would be making an "NPC", as if you were the DM and I were the player.

Basically, if I make four Level 11 characters, and you make a Level 1 Divine Rank 0 character at ECL +14, that's ECL 15 or CR 15. CR is based on four PCs of the same level, remember?

Sure.

What distance apart are we starting? I'll let you pick.

How about in an open arena that is 100 feet in diameter. We'll start on either side, both sides aware of the other, 80 feet away from each other.