D&D 5E (2024) Using Action Surge to cast spells in 2024

[Maxperson]

No the exceptions I am talking about are spells with a casting time as an Action.

For example, a Fighter can use the Attack action, not a magic action, to cast Hold Person (a spell with a casting time of an action), a Glamour Bard can cast Command (a spell with a casting time of an action) with a bonus action and not a Magic action, a Valor Bard can cast Truestrike (a specasll with a casting time of an action) with the attack action not a Magic action, A Wizard can cast Greater Invisibility as part of a casting of Contingency without using a Magic action, a Sorcerer can cast Fireball (a spell with a casting time of an action) with a Bonus action and not a Magic action using Quicken spell.

These are all examples of ways that spells that have a casting time of an action but can be cast using something other than a Magic action. These are all exceptions to how "most" such spells are cast. Ready a spell is just one more way of doing this.

And all have specific language making them exceptions to the general rule, unlike Ready Action.

 

[ECMO3]

And all have specific language making them exceptions to the general rule, unlike Ready Action.

Specific language just like "Ready a spell" does

 

[Maxperson]

Ready does spell out how it works and "normal" does not mean "use the Magic action: ESPECIALLY since ready does not allow you to take a second action on your turn.

The only thing ready says about the magic action is that you can use the Ready action to "prepare" a Magic action, but then it goes on to describe a completely different way of mechanically readying a spell.

I get it you disagree with me, but in no world do I think normal==Magic action and it isn't used anywhere else in the entire PHB to indicate Magic action. They actually say Magic action when they mean Magic action.

Normal =/= Ready, which is an abnormal way to cast spells. The normal ways are Magic Action, Bonus Action and Reaction. Outside of those three, it ain't normal.

 

[Maxperson]

Specific language just like "Ready a spell" does

Ready has no such specific language. None. There isn't one thing that says, "Ready is the new normal" or "Ready doesn't use another action for spells like all of the other actions used with Ready." You can't quote a single thing from the Ready Action to back you up which isn't you assuming things that are not specified.

 

[Maxperson]

Looking through the 5e PHB, the overwhelming amount of the time the word "normal" and "as normal" are used, "normal" is referring to something outside of the ability in question and is not defined within the ability itself.

 

[mamba]

But when you use the Ready action, the action occurs later during the trigger. That does not happen in this case because you cast the spell on your turn when you ready it.

by using the Magic action to cast it, which is the required action to cast spells (with casting time action), which is the normal way to cast spells

Ready is not a proper action, it is a rider on top of a proper action that allows you to delay (part of) the proper action so you can use it as a reaction to a trigger.

You can keep insisting that it is otherwise, but that is my take on it and that will not change. To me it also aligns better with the other parts of the rules, like requiring the Magic action in the spellcasting section.

Could this be written with less ambiguity, definitely, do I think your interpretation is wrong, absolutely…

 

[mamba]

Cleary not! I gave you numerous examples of how you can cast a spell with a casting time of an action without using the Magic action

and I quoted the spellcasting rules which say it is required, not sure what to tell you

 

[mamba]

No this is complete nonsese.

no, this is what Ready says. You use up your spell slot even if your trigger never happens and need to concentrate to hold on to the spell effect for the reaction. Neither would be the case if you did not cast the spell on your turn. The Ready entry also says that you cast the spell the normal way on your turn, and the normal way to cast a spell is to use the Magic action.

No need to keep going, we will continue to disagree and nothing either one says is new at this point, so if it were convincing the other, that would have happened already

 

[ECMO3]

and I quoted the spellcasting rules which say it is required, not sure what to tell you

So you don't think a Sorcerer can use a Bonus action to cast a Quickened Fireball?

 

[Maxperson]

So you don't think a Sorcerer can use a Bonus action to cast a Quickened Fireball?

You mean the specific rule that explicitly spells out a different normal way to cast spells? That explicitly turns the Magic Action to cast Fireball into a Bonus Action to cast Fireball?