D&D 3E/3.5 v4: Challenge Ratings pdf (3.5 compatible)

[BryonD]

Cool thanks.

So if PEL = EL, then you go back to the old fashioned 13.333 encounters per level.

Everything else is adjusting party power (which I completely neglected above) and opponent power in relative terms.

Cool.

 

[Kavon]

*pokes his email thing that doesn't seem to want to send emails anymore*

Hmm.. Ok, I sent an email reply back to you some days ago, U_K, but it seems it didn't send it yet (for what reason, I don't know).

Oh well

Anyway,
hey U_K

I looked through it a bit yesterday (looking through it a bit again now).
Something I was wondering about (which also has relevance to the thingy I emailed you about), is how to calculate abilities that are usable X times/day. I saw some things about spell-like abilities and the like, but those would be based off of spells, and not some unique ability you just made up cause it fits something (or whatever).

Hmm.. I probably missed something, since I just browsed through most of it, but I guess asking you how to do it wouldn't be too much to ask?

*feels like working on his dragon race again now*

 

[xanatos]

On impagination: the right margin of the columns is perhaps too much "right"... Quite often the gray boxes are smaller than the text (page 5 lower right). With Acro 6.0 (pure sh#t (the 6.0)) there is a problem with some gray boxes (page 5, the penultimate one (eg. Ghou: 3 attacks). There is a small horizontal white line in the upper part of the box. Page 20 and 21 are different from the other pages... The paragraphs aren't numbered.

What do you mean with "dice only"? (you use it in various places for damage) Do you mean without STR/magic/luck/Insight?

P. 21 DR Parameters, Epic Factor >= 20HD and not <= (or better you should use the description of Insight Bonus: "NB. Suggested Minimum Hit Dice of 21 (or epic) for this ability." or perhaps it's 20...

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi ByronD matey!

Cool thanks.

So if PEL = EL, then you go back to the old fashioned 13.333 encounters per level.

Everything else is adjusting party power (which I completely neglected above) and opponent power in relative terms.

Cool.

Thats it.

 

[Upper_Krust]

*pokes his email thing that doesn't seem to want to send emails anymore*

Hmm.. Ok, I sent an email reply back to you some days ago, U_K, but it seems it didn't send it yet (for what reason, I don't know).

Oh well

I received an email from you today replying to what we were discussing a few days ago - is that it?

Anyway,
hey U_K

Hiya mate!

I looked through it a bit yesterday (looking through it a bit again now).

Something I was wondering about (which also has relevance to the thingy I emailed you about), is how to calculate abilities that are usable X times/day. I saw some things about spell-like abilities and the like, but those would be based off of spells, and not some unique ability you just made up cause it fits something (or whatever).

Hmm.. I probably missed something, since I just browsed through most of it, but I guess asking you how to do it wouldn't be too much to ask?

Well, if an ability is already rated somewhere, and you want to be able to do it once per day I generally divide by five (see also Breath Weapons).

So divide by five and multiply by the number of uses/day. If it can be used five or more times per day treat it as if it were 'At will'.

Hope that helps.

*feels like working on his dragon race again now*

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi xanatos mate!

On impagination: the right margin of the columns is perhaps too much "right"... Quite often the gray boxes are smaller than the text (page 5 lower right).

So you think thats what could be causing it, thanks.

With Acro 6.0 (pure sh#t (the 6.0))

I have heard Acrobat isn't really as good as it should be.

there is a problem with some gray boxes (page 5, the penultimate one (eg. Ghou: 3 attacks). There is a small horizontal white line in the upper part of the box.

Yeah I am not sure why those white lines are appearing; trust me when I say they don't appear in my original, so it must be a fault with Acrobat.

Page 20 and 21 are different from the other pages... The paragraphs aren't numbered.

Well I wasn't sure if that would make such a big difference since I don't think I refer to any of the paragraphs on those pages anywhere else or even within themselves.

What do you mean with "dice only"? (you use it in various places for damage) Do you mean without STR/magic/luck/Insight?

Yes. Dice only = without any bonuses.

P. 21 DR Parameters, Epic Factor >= 20HD and not <= (or better you should use the description of Insight Bonus: "NB. Suggested Minimum Hit Dice of 21 (or epic) for this ability." or perhaps it's 20...

Yes I should have, thanks for the feedback mate.

 

[Kavon]

I received an email from you today replying to what we were discussing a few days ago - is that it?

Hmm.. Yeah, I guess that could be it. I received a mail from some system thing, telling me it was delayed or something.

Hiya mate!

Hey again, U_K

Well, if an ability is already rated somewhere, and you want to be able to do it once per day I generally divide by five (see also Breath Weapons).

So divide by five and multiply by the number of uses/day. If it can be used five or more times per day treat it as if it were 'At will'.

Hope that helps.

Ah! Ok, found it
Thanks

 

[Drow Jones]

Ecl +2

Hi UK,

A long time lurker de-cloaking...

Are there any official races that add more than +1 ECL without also adding HD?

FRCS has Dark Elves, Duergar (both +2) and Svirfneblin (+3) and no extra HDs.

Or am I misunderstanding your question?

BTW, congrats on v4. Keep up the great work! We can't wait for Immortals Handbook...

- DJ

PS: You've propably read Steven Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen -series? If not, I recommend it highly for everyone interested in epic campaigns.

Edit: Stupid fingers...

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

Hey UK--

I have found a bit of a discrepancy I was hoping you could help out with.

It seems to me that the EL of a mixed group of NPCs is different depending on whether they are "monsters" or "players characters."

If they are monsters, it seems we find their EL by considering them a "mixed group;" in a mixed group, the EL is always at least as great as the highest level "base" creatures EL. You can't reduce EL by "mixing" a group.

The same is not true of the process presented for Party Level. In this case, you are advised to add all character levels, divide by the number of characters, then apply the result to table 2-1. In this case, the highest level character's EL is actually reduced from where it should be. Any lower level characters in the party drag down the overall EL.

For an example, take a 20th level character and his 12th level cohort.

Using the "mixed group" method this combo would have an EL of 100% + 33% of the highest EL (CR20, EL18; CR12, EL 15, EL-3 of the highest EL).

I confess, at this point, I'm not exactly sure what the EL of this mixed group is. (The instructions are unclear...) But, we can definitely see that the EL will be at least as high as the EL for the 20th level character.

Using the second method, the party level is (20+12)/2, or 16th, with an EL of 17. We drag it down even further because there's only 2 characters (PEL -2) to EL 15.

Somehow, using the two different methods, the same two creatures have totally different ELs depending on whether they are a party or an adversary.

Help me out here! Am I doing something wrong?

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

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