D&D 3E/3.5 v4: Challenge Ratings pdf (3.5 compatible)
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Upper_Krust
Legend
Hi Halivar mate! 
It makes it all worthwhile to know that people are really getting something out of it.
My pleasure mate.
Halivar said:
It makes it all worthwhile to know that people are really getting something out of it.
Halivar said:
My pleasure mate.
Upper_Krust
Legend
...y'know sometimes I even amaze myself
Hi all!
Just thought I would let you know that as I was putting the final touches on the latest incarnation I stumbled across an iron clad perfect simple solution to determining ECL from CR.
Its so simple I almost can't believe how I ever missed it.
ECL = CR x1.24
However, since we now factor ability scores it becomes:
ECL = CR -1*, x1.24
*Remember that typical PCs have at least standard array/25 point buy ability scores (effectively +1 CR) which we don't count towards their ECL.
So a typical 1st-level PC would be ECL 1/CR 2.
I am still double-checking monsters to see if any of the two rules (golden or silver) should be applied. I think the Silver Rule option, if you deign to use it; though I know a few of you won't bother with that.
Anyway, let me know what you all think?
I still have a few examples to update before everythings finished but its all falling neatly into shape.
To quote Hannibal (from the A-Team)
"I love it when a plan comes together."
Hi all!
Just thought I would let you know that as I was putting the final touches on the latest incarnation I stumbled across an iron clad perfect simple solution to determining ECL from CR.
Its so simple I almost can't believe how I ever missed it.
ECL = CR x1.24
However, since we now factor ability scores it becomes:
ECL = CR -1*, x1.24
*Remember that typical PCs have at least standard array/25 point buy ability scores (effectively +1 CR) which we don't count towards their ECL.
So a typical 1st-level PC would be ECL 1/CR 2.
I am still double-checking monsters to see if any of the two rules (golden or silver) should be applied. I think the Silver Rule option, if you deign to use it; though I know a few of you won't bother with that.
Anyway, let me know what you all think?
I still have a few examples to update before everythings finished but its all falling neatly into shape.
To quote Hannibal (from the A-Team)
"I love it when a plan comes together."
Wulf Ratbane
Adventurer
Upper_Krust said:
Why? (That is, WHY is that formula the magic bullet?)
Wulf
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Wulf Ratbane
Adventurer
Upper_Krust said:
Oh, God.
So you're saying I'm gonna have to go back into my own design document?
Crap.
I am offiicially resigning from DUKC and forming FTFTA, "Finish the F'ing Thing Already."
Wulf
Upper_Krust
Legend
Hi Wulf matey!
Well, we know that a single PC Level of Equipment is worth +0.2 CR.
eg. CR 1 + 0.2 (1 level of PC equipment) = +1.2
+1.2 = 1 x 1.2
However the increase compounds +1 every 5 CR/Levels.
eg. CR 5 + 1 (5 levels of PC equipment) = 6
This means we have to add another +0.2 for the 6th-level equipment.
So CR 5 + 1.2 (6 levels of PC equipment) = +6.2
+6.2 = 5 x 1.24
Now lets try that with a CR 20 monster.
eg. CR 20 + 4 (20 levels of PC equipment) = 24
This means we have to add another +0.8 for the 21st to 24th-level equipment.
So CR 20 +4.8 (24 levels of PC equipment) = 24.8
+24.8 = 20 x 1.24
Now do you see it? Good huh!?
Edit: oops forgot the '4' at the end of the number.
Wulf Ratbane said:
Well, we know that a single PC Level of Equipment is worth +0.2 CR.
eg. CR 1 + 0.2 (1 level of PC equipment) = +1.2
+1.2 = 1 x 1.2
However the increase compounds +1 every 5 CR/Levels.
eg. CR 5 + 1 (5 levels of PC equipment) = 6
This means we have to add another +0.2 for the 6th-level equipment.
So CR 5 + 1.2 (6 levels of PC equipment) = +6.2
+6.2 = 5 x 1.24
Now lets try that with a CR 20 monster.
eg. CR 20 + 4 (20 levels of PC equipment) = 24
This means we have to add another +0.8 for the 21st to 24th-level equipment.
So CR 20 +4.8 (24 levels of PC equipment) = 24.8
+24.8 = 20 x 1.24
Now do you see it? Good huh!?
Edit: oops forgot the '4' at the end of the number.
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Upper_Krust
Legend
Hiya mate!
You rang!?
I don't see why, I think both are perfectly viable ratings, there are only minute fractional differences.
...mmmm, but weren't you one of the ones championing for individual unit breakdowns of things like Breath Weapons!?
Wulf Ratbane said:
You rang!?
Wulf Ratbane said:
I don't see why, I think both are perfectly viable ratings, there are only minute fractional differences.
Wulf Ratbane said:Crap.
I am offiicially resigning from DUKC and forming FTFTA, "Finish the F'ing Thing Already."
...mmmm, but weren't you one of the ones championing for individual unit breakdowns of things like Breath Weapons!?
Upper_Krust
Legend
Hi all!
Just a quick update. The latest version is teetering on the cusp of being finished.
The only remaining things to check are:
- My wording of how to factor Size (I am not happy with this at the moment)
- Regeneration (someone previously mentioned modifying it based on whether or not certain elements negate it; the idea certainly has merit I just haven't implemented it yet).
- The Spell Duration modifier (This is actually finished but I am torn between making it optional or not as the case may be, and leaving this to individual DMs. So I need to make a decision on this too.)
...and thats it.
The last two won't affect the Revised CRs (simply because there is no way I am going through them again - definately not Spell-like Abilities anyway, I don't think there are very many creatures with Regeneration so I may just have a stab at implementing that.)
I'll get to work on finishing things off after I get some dinner*.
*and watch Buffy.
Just a quick update. The latest version is teetering on the cusp of being finished.
The only remaining things to check are:
- My wording of how to factor Size (I am not happy with this at the moment)
- Regeneration (someone previously mentioned modifying it based on whether or not certain elements negate it; the idea certainly has merit I just haven't implemented it yet).
- The Spell Duration modifier (This is actually finished but I am torn between making it optional or not as the case may be, and leaving this to individual DMs. So I need to make a decision on this too.)
...and thats it.
The last two won't affect the Revised CRs (simply because there is no way I am going through them again - definately not Spell-like Abilities anyway, I don't think there are very many creatures with Regeneration so I may just have a stab at implementing that.)
I'll get to work on finishing things off after I get some dinner*.
*and watch Buffy.
Upper_Krust
Legend
Hi all!
Okay I have v5 finished and sitting here.
I would have had it sooner but I had to do a lot of shopping today and I was away from the computer for five or six hours.
Before I post it can I have two or three volunteers* to give it a look over first; in case there are some errors or mistakes I have missed.
*Prefereably someone with a familiarity with the various incarnations of the CR/EL document (ie. anyone whose ever posted in this thread).
Either email me or post here with your email address and I will send it to you.
Thanks.
Okay I have v5 finished and sitting here.
I would have had it sooner but I had to do a lot of shopping today and I was away from the computer for five or six hours.
Before I post it can I have two or three volunteers* to give it a look over first; in case there are some errors or mistakes I have missed.
*Prefereably someone with a familiarity with the various incarnations of the CR/EL document (ie. anyone whose ever posted in this thread).
Either email me or post here with your email address and I will send it to you.
Thanks.
Cheiromancer
Adventurer
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