Vampire in play

[GMforPowergamers]

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To be fair, Kelemvorites were in LFR long before any undead PCs were possible[/QUOTE]

ok, maybe I am taking this too personaly (I no longer play LFR becuse all 3 games I was in are full of bullies who tell people what they can and cant play)

I just have to say, If your PC has a problem with my PC then we can deal with it one of two ways... you just assume the answer is I not play mine...

 

[Klaus]

That's sort of my point though. To reflect the "redemption", you'd have to create a completely different character. Going the other way, by say altering a character to a Revenant, is trivial by comparison.

Sure, but do you "need" a redemption arc? You could have the character redeem his *soul*, and when he finally dies, he goes to his eternal reward.

 

[Incenjucar]

I haven't heard of anyone wanting to play a Warlock in need of redemption yet though whereas it's a meme, where vampires are concerned.

Warlocks sell their souls to (often infernal) powers from beyond the world in exchange for power.

Vampires get bitten by some random jerk.

Which one actually needs to be redeemed?

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Redemption actually makes for a nice epic destiny.

 

[Ryujin]

Sure, but do you "need" a redemption arc? You could have the character redeem his *soul*, and when he finally dies, he goes to his eternal reward.

Right; level 30. Long arc.

 

[Mirtek]

ok, maybe I am taking this too personaly (I no longer play LFR becuse all 3 games I was in are full of bullies who tell people what they can and cant play)

Well, I am sorry to hear that your LFR experience was so negative, but without knowing the specifics I have to add that there are/were several things that you could indeed not play in LFR. Not because of some jerk reactions of fellow players, but because it simply was not allowed in the campaign. E.g. no monster manual races (except Orc and Tengu and until 2011 these two only if you actually have a certain reward card) . So depending with what you arrived at the table it may be that there was no malice intended, but rather a just not so diplomatic but well meant pointer to the campaign rules.

 

[bganon]

It's a pitty that LFR allows both fanatical hunters of the dead as well as undead PCs and that both could find themselves in the same group. However this ship already sailed with revenants

The ship sailed from the start, as LFR allows fanatical devotees of Erathis in the same party as fanatical devotees of Melora. "Tame the wilderness" and "protect the wild places" are not exactly easily compatible goals.

The solution is the same as it's always been: don't be so fanatical, and find a way to work together despite your differences. Not bad lessons to learn.

 

[jbear]

Joining this conversation a bit late. I can see how a vampire character would be a bit off in a game where people who don't know each other can roll up with any character they like as long as it is 'oficially legal'.

In a home brew campaign with people who knew each other this would be a totally different story.

However the player, with even a small amount of forethought, could have made such an off putting character slot into the story much more smoothly. Like, by not revealing he is a vampire for example. And by the time the other PCs discover that he has had a chance to prove his worth, and maybe they give him enough time to explain why they should let him live, and keep them with him.

As for non-typical vampire tropes in fantast literature ... anyone here read the Geralt De Rivia Saga? Well, to cut a long story short, the main character is a Warlock, which in the story is a professional monster hunter basically. He ends up travelling with a Vampire, a creature he would normally hunt and kill. The vampire doesn't drink blood. He doesn't frighten animals. He smells of herbs and spices. Okay ... he does know a lot of history ... and he is kind, well mannered, loyal and above all not seeking redemption. The saga is well worth reading. I'd even go so far as to say it is a masterpiece. And I don't say that lightly.

So, in short vampires don't have to be Count Dracula or Buffy Vampires, but I think this takes effort on the part of the DM and Players to make it work. LFR as a campaign world is probably not a good fit for such characters. All the characters/options in Heores of Shadow seem to be along those lines.

I was more interested to read how the Vampire played out mechanically. How it dealt with the issue of Surge Shortage etc.

Nevermind.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Well, I am sorry to hear that your LFR experience was so negative, but without knowing the specifics I have to add that there are/were several things that you could indeed not play in LFR. Not because of some jerk reactions of fellow players, but because it simply was not allowed in the campaign. E.g. no monster manual races (except Orc and Tengu and until 2011 these two only if you actually have a certain reward card) . So depending with what you arrived at the table it may be that there was no malice intended, but rather a just not so diplomatic but well meant pointer to the campaign rules.

Ok I had a (started at lv 1) swordmag half elf who multi into wizard ( scorch burst and magic missle @1st) but around 12th or 13 th level when I paragon Multi class these guys from the dms home game started playing... Even driving away 1 newish guy and his girlfriend and they all do char op... I was told I was a sub opt defender and a piss poor controller too. After 2 levels of being told I was feed up and went to my flgs manager who told me the 4 in question are " putting his son through collage" so he didn't want to say anything... So we started our own lv 1 Lfr where I played my human assassin it went 3 games before one of the others showed up and after his 1 time at level 2 with a two axe weding ranger calling as much damage as the rest of us put together on Avg we quit Lfr and only do home games now


So Lfr was just to op based( atleast around here) and 2 of the last 3 cons we went to had people "helping" us op our characters... Even though o do theory craft on the op board I do not ever want to play those builds...



Now the vamp thing is hitting the same cord, don't play x in my group because of y

 

[Mirtek]

The ship sailed from the start, as LFR allows fanatical devotees of Erathis in the same party as fanatical devotees of Melora. "Tame the wilderness" and "protect the wild places" are not exactly easily compatible goals.

Actually LFR allows neither since PoL-Deities are not allowed at all (you have to use FR deities)

But in general your certainly right. The problem in this case is that it wasn't something that was there from the beginning nor something that was foreseen. It arrived out of the blue about one year after the campaign started and the Kelemvorite character had been created (and Kelemvor doesn't have that much else going for him). Targeting undead seemed as save as you can get if you have to target something.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Actually LFR allows neither since PoL-Deities are not allowed at all (you have to use FR deities)

But in general your certainly right. The problem in this case is that it wasn't something that was there from the beginning nor something that was foreseen. It arrived out of the blue about one year after the campaign started and the Kelemvorite character had been created (and Kelemvor doesn't have that much else going for him). Targeting undead seemed as save as you can get if you have to target something.

So Maybe kelemvorite (was he the one dating midnight?) has an exception that some vampires can fight there nature... maybe there is even some sorta angel like profacy about a vamp with a soul saving the world... or mayb the cleric just learns in between adventures that this one vamp is diffrent...