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Van Helsing

Thanee said:
Why do you watch movies that you expect you don't like? ;)

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Thanee

Because I hoped to be surprised and I like Hugh Jackman. I was sadly mistaken. Also the director made the Mummy which I like a great deal. The movie potentially had a great deal going for it. All was completely squandered.

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Branduil said:
-Why are stagecoaches combustible?

-Why is Mr. Hyde in Paris?

These, at least, are easily answered. The stagecoach roof was covered in the friction-activated explosive that Carl demonstrated back in Vatican City. They did so to stop vampires from jumping on it. I was okay with that.

They state that Mr. Hyde had fled London for Paris after murdering too many people.

We found a few other plot holes -
the cycle of the moon, how the werewolf gets to the stagecoach, why the flying vampires didn't see both stagecoaches, why there were two parallel roads through a thick forest -
but no big deal. Out of the four of us, three had fun and enjoyed it for what it was.
 

Branduil said:
Perhaps, but though other movies I've seen may be worse in most regards, they didn't have a multi-million dollar budget. For the price spent on this thing there's no excuse for not having an adequate story.

This sort of comment always puzzles me. Just to make this clear for everyone: not only does spending lots of money on a movie do nothing to improve the quality of the story, but the more money that's spent on a movie, the dumber you can in fact expect it to be. A big-budget blockbuster is going to have a dozen different writers on the payroll. Although they may be credited as "concept designers", "story contributors", or any of a dozen different other titles, don't be fooled: they're writers. And none of them can simply say "hey, this is great!" and pass it on. Perfectly decent scenes are re-written, new scenes are added on, and senseless plot twists occur for no discernable reason.

The production staff calls the director in for meeting after meeting, watching the movie's development like a mother hen because of all the money they're investing. Nobody wants another Dune. And they can't just say everything's great either. They have a whole franchise they want to protect. After all, movie tickets are only a small slice of the pie. Can you do some product-placement--maybe Van Helsing likes eating subway sandwiches or can catch a monster by using candy as bait? Can we have some scenes where you're driving something we can sell as a toy? Can you use more gadgets (for the same reason)?

Focus groups get in on the act. Can you have that character murdered without having any blood spilled so the movie stays PG-13? Can there be more romance, but less sex? Can the female character be tougher, yet more vulnerable too? The cravenly monk tested well--give him more cooky stuff to say.

In the end, it's a miracle if even a single intelligent moment has managed to survive. Instead of subtlety or sincerity ou can expect lots of cute one-liners interspersed with explosions and people leaping across chasms.

Van Helsing is a big, fun, loud movie that joins the ranks of Independence Day, Charlie's Angels, and Armageddon. But anyone who wasn't expecting a dumb spectacle was really kidding themselves, and their complaints about plot holes are a bit on the absurd side. Branduil, do you get how posting that long, long list of questions about every detail of the plot like that is kind of like detailing why a knock-knock joke doesn't follow consistent rules of logic?

You get quality big-budget movies once in a while when the director's emotionally-invested in the project (e.g. LotR, Batman, Titanic). These guys were willing to put their careers on the line (and in Cameron's case, his house and a heap of his own money) to have final cut. But this is just a paycheck movie for Sommers. Universal called him up and said "we want to cash in on all of these monsters we have rights to--can you direct something we can turn into a new theme-park ride?"
 
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Piratecat said:
We found a few other plot holes -
the cycle of the moon, how the werewolf gets to the stagecoach, why the flying vampires didn't see both stagecoaches, why there were two parallel roads through a thick forest -
but no big deal. Out of the four of us, three had fun and enjoyed it for what it was.

Oh, my favorite bit has to be
the arrangement of having the prisoner exchange be conducted in a highly visible public place because the indestructable, invincible lord of monsters wouldn't want to make a scene that would have the local constabulary called in, right?
 
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Well, dracula had his plans foiled once before by an angry mob and so could be done again, dracula might not be killed but his "life's" work my well be. That was enough reason for me to have his existance hidden from the world or as much concealed as possible.

As for the werewolf @ the coach, it was most likely airlifted in by the brides ;) And the roof on fire was from the nitroglicerine indeed. The thick forest was probably just the reason why the brides didnt spot the other coach and why there were to parellel roads one not even having a bride across the chasm. Only god knows ;) (Or appearantly his left hand for that matter)
 

Well I saw it last night and thought it was OK, I did expext more because of the writer/director but I did not consider my time wasted. It had flaws and mistakes etc but what movie does not. Kate was hot and Hugh was cool, but why does he have the lower face mask on in Paris (even in the wanted ad) and never used it again? The Gabriel thing was a cool idea and he even had a memory of something from 48 AD ( I think) my group discussed it after the movie, so his memories are fleeting but he lives on I guess.

C+ but I was expecting such. Will not see it again ('cept on dvd) but was not sad when I left the theatre either.
 

on the scale I gave it a 7 - I enjoyed it but thought the computer graphics while good went overboard. Yes, it had some holes in it but they were not too bad but the music was terrible, it did not flow and lend itselt fo the movie, it should have been background to enhance.

The mask was an interesting thought and during the movie I wondered if the symbol on it was some from of protection, to keep monsters from making eye contact; never went into it.

Kate is just...hot.

Hugh is a cross between the sterotypical witch-hunter and highway man.
 
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Crothian said:
The literary version is accurate. Why? Becaue its the birth of the character. Other monsters have entered in the modern mythology, but Hyde is rarely used. Orginal source material has full meaning, becasue its the orginal. Without it you have no Hyde.
As I said, more people remember Hyde from the old black and white movie than from the original literary version. Heck, more people know of Dr. Jekyll from comic books and cartoons like Scooby Doo than they do from the book. Claiming that only the book's interpretation is valid because it's the original isn't a good position to take. Like I said, these monsters have all entered the collective mythology now; they have a life of their own completely independent of the original literary source material. Given that, claiming that the version in the movie is "wrong" seems a difficult position to defend.
 

Argus Decimus Mokira said:
Is it just me, or is this movie screaming for a sequel/prequel? Gabby and Drac seem to have a lot of barely-hinted-at backstory. And, I mean, this movie is from the same writer/director that made a prequel to the Mummy, in which the events surrounding a minor character in the sequel were laid bare! :\

Thanks
-Matt

You know, I would agree, but
I'm not sure a sequel/prequel would be worth it without Kate in it. :)
 

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