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Vecna v Acererak v Larloch? Who's The Most Powerful Lich?

Forgotten Realms creator Ed Greenwood was recently asked who was the most powerful lich: Vecna, Acererak, or Larloch. Here was his reply!

Forgotten Realms creator Ed Greenwood was recently asked who was the most powerful lich: Vecna, Acererak, or Larloch. Here was his reply!

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"Heh. I've been asked this many times before, and although part of me wonders what's the point of all "who's more powerful?" questions, the answer is: it depends. In terms of raw personal BATTLE power, the answer is likely Vecna. Though so much of his power is vested in his Hand and his Eye that unless they can all be in one place, Larloch might pack more punch. Not that he would fight toe-to-toe in battle, because that isn't Larloch's way; he views liches who do that as idiot failures. Larloch's way is to manipulate from behind the scenes to lead anyone seeking him, or trying to cross him, astray, so they never come into contact with him. If need be, he'd hurl his many, many servitor liches at them, most of whom are personally more powerful than Acererak.

Larloch and Vecna both have a wider reach and influence on the worlds around them than Acererak, so if you're measuring that way, Acererak is left behind. But when it comes to measuring Larloch and Vecna against each other in terms of influence, it's a matter of style: Vecna has the greater fear-reputation and is "noisier," and Larloch is more the master manipulator, who works unseen. As in, you may never know how much he's affected you. I can only go by what Elminster (and on rare occasions Storm, or Laeral, or Volo[!]) tell me of the Realms, and the three Chosen of Mystra all think Larloch (even wherever he is now, bested by the Srinshee) is the greater threat. As El put it, "Vecna is a bogeyman, and his relics do harm. Larloch undresses thee and ye never even know it." Larloch plays the longer game, and is more patient and empathic and has a greater understanding of the multiverse, whereas Vecna is more self-centered. I trust El's judgment, because I must; without it, none of us know ANYTHING about the Realms.

Acererak is feared throughout the multiverse because he's an almost-always-active destructive force. However, that's a one-trick pony. "Hah! I shall destroy you TWICE!!!" ;}"
 

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The correct answer is Azalin.

Azalin is a big fish in his small pond of Ravenloft, but he doesn't really compare on this scale -- IIRC he's 18th level (in 2e), and as his curse is that he can't learn any new magic, he can't advance. So he's really not comparable with anyone 20th-level-plus, much less a demigod/god like Vecna.

In terms of accomplishments, he doesn't really compete either, IMO. Ravenloft darklords are kind of "stuck" in terms of having large-scale influence.
 

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Zardnaar

Legend
Vecna
Larloch
Acerak

In that order.

Larloch isn't even the most powerful Netherise floating around. He is a lvl 32 lich there's a lvl 41 elder brain Netherise out there.
 
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jasper

Rotten DM
Vecna has two artifacts. Acererak appeared in Tomb of Horrors and has his own jungle adventure book. Never heard of Larloch.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Vecna has two artifacts. Acererak appeared in Tomb of Horrors and has his own jungle adventure book. Never heard of Larloch.

Vecna also earned his stripes in game play. Larloch is just a Mary Sue, which even if he is more powerful, and he isn't, downgrades him in my eyes.
 

Mr. Wilson

Explorer
My personal opinion is that Vecna is most likely the most powerful of the three.

With that said, I'd argue that Larloch is the most successful of the three and therefore the most dangerous of the three.

Larloch has more powerful minions as his accountant than Acererak.

And still, with all that said, it's entirely possible Acererak has the highest PC Count between Tomb of Horrors and Tomb of Annihilation.
 

Though Vecna, as a deity, is more likely the most powerful, I’m going to go with Acererak, and discount Larloch. Lore is fun and fascinating, but the game is the thing in my book, and Acererak assuredly has had the greatest direct impact on PCs, what with Tomb of Horrors, Return to the Tomb of Horrors, and Tomb of Annihilation. The only part that might give me pause is the appearance of Vecna's hand and eye in the list of artifacts.
 

gyor

Legend
Should've included Szass Tam in the question.

It's like you read my mind. But I'll add Velsharoon to that list as well.

For raw power Vecna and Velsharoon are Gods as well as Liches, thatis an auto I win button.

My list of regular liches is Szazz Tam, ruler of Thay.

Larloch, ruler of Warlocks Crypt

Acerarak, dungeon master.
 
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